Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones?

From	abcdef <abcdef@abcdef.com>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: Is Apple acknowledging that many users want an active stylus on their phones?
Date	2018-08-17 13:26 -0700
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<pl7b0s$pao$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 8/17/2018 11:42 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <pl72if$1n9$1@dont-email.me>, abcdef <abcdef@abcdef.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>>>> I would miss a headphone jack. However the wife has yet to
>>>> complain about her iPhone not having one. Guess it's a YMMV
>>>> thing...
>> 
>>> it has a digital headphone jack and includes headphones in the
>>> box
>> 
>> One size headphone fits all? No thanks. YMMV.
> 
> most people use the headphones in the box

MOST people? So you surveyed how many millions of Apple users then? My
GUESS is that MOST people are like my wife and don't use the included
headphones at all.

> (or they use the speakers built into the phone)

Course. Everyone uses the built in phone speakers for Facebook etc, even
me. But for listening to quality music (local or streaming) the speakers
suck.

> there are also numerous third party headphones.

Perhaps. But my local stores carry STANDARD headphones in droves whereas
the Apple aisle has only one or two.

>>> as well as an adapter for legacy analog headphones.
>> 
>> Having a headphone dongle dangling? No thanks. YMMV.
> 
> nothing dangles, other than the wires that normally would.

Yeah, the dongle really does dangle. AGAIN YMMV.

>>> it also fully supports all bluetooth headsets and headphones.
>> 
>> Bluetooth? More cost, battery charge hassle, and bulk. No thanks.
>> YMMV.
> 
> no hassles and no bulk, nor any dangling wires to get caught on 
> anything.

Agreed the wires can be a pain. But the battery IMO is a bigger pain.
And the Bluetooth headphones I've tried can't produce the volume I like.
Simpler is often better.

> some even fit entirely in the ear, which is as bulk-free as it gets:

Unfortunately the tiny Bluetooth models I've tried sacrifice battery
life and are volume starved.

> analog headphone jacks are obsolete.

Obsolete? Maybe someday. But as long as millions of phones currently
have them, not so much. We had this discussion over 2 years ago. So far
your prediction of the death of the audio hole has been greatly
exaggerated...

> there are currently a *lot* of android phones with usb-c headphone 
> jacks, including the google pixel, considered to be 'pure android',

PURE Android? Is that like PURE Linux?

> the essential phone from andy rubin, who created android, as well as 
> several other major device makers, including motorola...

Glad my Motorola phone is still holy (hole-ee, get it? Sorry.)

> At this stage in the game, that's hardly a surprise. Most smartphone 
> makers are ditching the traditional headphone jack to make phones 
> thinner and to embrace the wireless-headphones revolution. Even 
> Google, which poked fun at Apple last year for removing the
> headphone jack, got rid of it on this year's Pixel 2.

Whatever sells the most cells (phones) will win.

> the Moto Z comes with a USB-C headphone adapter, which should
> convert the audio into analog so you can plug in the headphones you
> already have to listen to music or watch a movie or even talk on (or
> to) your phone.

While I will miss the audio hole I won't miss the micro-USB connector.
It will be nice to plug a cable in and get it right on the first try.
Fortunately that's not a big problem on my Motorola phone with its
wireless charging and easy-to-plug-in audio jack (no dongle needed)...

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