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Re: SR NONSENSE

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: SR NONSENSE
Date	2018-08-14 23:42 +0000
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Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>                            by Sylvia Else
>> In a frame in which the box is moving the photons spend more time 
>> traveling towards the front of the box than they do traveling towards 
>> the back of the box, because the distance from the back to the front is 
>> longer than then distance from the front to the back.
>> 
>> So the averages work out.
>> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> 
> Thank you Sylvia,
> 
> In the world of CLASSICAL PHYSICS
> it is also true that the distance
> traveled by the light going from
> rear to front of box is greater than
> the distance traveled by the light
> going from the front to the rear.
>          BUT
> The TIME taken for the journey
> from rear to front is by definition
> THE SAME IN ALL FRAMES of REFERENCE,
> as, of course, is the time taken
> for the light to travel from rear
> to front
> 
> Thus in SR the velocity rear to front
> is equal to the velocity front to rear,
> equal to c in all frames of reference.
> While in classical physics it is rather
> the TIME for the journey which is constant
> in all frames of reference.
> 
> 
> Which is the more sensible   ????

Sensibility has NOTHING to do with it. As long as you keep talking about
gedankens, you will incorrectly err toward what seems intuitive. 

The only thing that can be reasonably discussed is actual experimental
results. Not PROPOSED experiments that would convince you. But actual
experiments already done, with the results of those experiments documented
in the literature. 

It is this and ONLY this that would pry you from the grip of guessing
results based on sensibility and instead focus on the deep surprise of what
ACTUALLY happens. 

> 
>            Special Relativity or   CLASSICAL PHYSICS ?
> 
>             Constant Speed    or    Constant Time  ?
> 
>    ..    ..   Space-Time      or    Space and Time ?
> 
>          Contrived Nonsense   or    COMMON SENSE ?
> 
> 
> keith stein
> 
> 
> keith Stein
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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