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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.
Date 2018-08-08 09:00 +1000
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On 7/08/2018 4:36 AM, Keith Stein wrote:
> The average velocity of the photons within any closed box
> must be zero relative to the box. If this were not so the
> photons would be moving out of the CLOSED box.
> 
> The average velocity of the photons within any closed box
> relative to a frame of reference in which the box is moving
> with a velocity v, must be the same value v, or again
> photons would be moving out of the closed box. Thus photons
> can not possibly have the same velocity c with respect to
> all frames of reference, because if they did they must
> have an average velocity of zero with respect to all frames
> of reference, which they don't eh!
> 
> QED
> 
> keith stein

In a frame in which the box is moving the photons spend more time 
travelling towards the front of the box than they do travelling towards 
the back of the box, because the distance from the back to the front is 
longer than then distance from the front to the back.

So the averages work out.

Sylvia.

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