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Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.

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From Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Subject Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.
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Date 2018-08-06 19:36 +0100

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The average velocity of the photons within any closed box
must be zero relative to the box. If this were not so the
photons would be moving out of the CLOSED box.

The average velocity of the photons within any closed box
relative to a frame of reference in which the box is moving
with a velocity v, must be the same value v, or again
photons would be moving out of the closed box. Thus photons
can not possibly have the same velocity c with respect to
all frames of reference, because if they did they must
have an average velocity of zero with respect to all frames
of reference, which they don't eh!

QED

keith stein

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Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 19:36 +0100
  Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-06 11:57 -0700
    Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 12:14 -0700
    Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 21:53 +0100
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-06 14:23 -0700
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-06 16:27 -0500
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 22:49 +0000
    Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-07 01:58 +0200
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-06 18:59 -0700
        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-12 18:12 +0200
          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-12 11:15 -0700
            Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-12 20:41 +0200
              Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-12 11:50 -0700
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 03:19 +0100
        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-07 22:08 +0200
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-06 20:53 -0700
        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 01:18 +0200
          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-07 17:44 -0700
  Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-06 12:18 -0700
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        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 09:40 +0100
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          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-07 15:29 -0700
            Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 00:39 +0200
              Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:32 -0700
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        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-07 09:36 +0000
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            Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-08 10:55 +0000
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  Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-08 09:00 +1000
    Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 04:20 +0200
    Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 20:25 +0100
      Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-09 12:42 -0700
        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-09 13:16 -0700
          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-09 21:57 +0000
        Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 21:26 +0100
          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-09 13:28 -0700
            Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-09 22:44 +0100
              Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-09 17:29 -0700
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            Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 03:05 +0100
              Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-08-10 12:46 +1000
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          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 14:06 +0100
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          Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-10 20:37 -0700
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