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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.

From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference.
Date	2018-08-07 01:58 +0200
Organization	PointedEars Software (PES)
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Gary Harnagel wrote:

> […]  The MOMENTUM of a photon bouncing off a moving mirror […] is
> INCREASED if the photon is moving to the left and the mirror is
> moving to the right.

Oh, really?  I would really like to know which mechanism allows that.  
Because I really do want to produce energy out of nothing by reflecting 
light off my bathroom mirror, which is moving through the universe with 
Earth.

> Contrary-wise, if the photon is moving to the right and the mirror
> is also moving to the right, the momentum is decreased.

*Are* *you* *really* *really* *sure*? [psf 1.1]

> The net momentum is just enough to keep the center of
> gravity of the photon flux moving right along with the box.

Not even wrong.

PointedEars
-- 
Q: How many theoretical physicists specializing in general relativity
   does it take to change a light bulb?  
A: Two: one to hold the bulb and one to rotate the universe.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-06 11:57 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 12:14 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 19:26 +0100
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-10 12:49 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-10 12:01 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-10 22:16 -0500
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-10 20:37 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-11 00:10 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-13 03:30 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 19:46 +0100
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-13 11:55 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-11 09:49 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-11 13:55 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-12 05:27 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-12 12:35 +0000
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 19:00 -0700
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Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-12 21:07 -0700
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 08:39 +0100
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-11 14:45 +0200
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.ho> - 2018-08-11 16:19 +0000
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 12:15 +0100
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-12 16:07 +0200
Re: Proof that photons do NOT have the same velocity c with repect to all frames of reference. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 21:30 +0100
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