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Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem

From "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem
Date 2018-06-07 07:32 -0500
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On 6/7/2018 1:15 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:17:48 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/5/2018 8:37 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 15:13:10 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 6/4/2018 8:29 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:17:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/1/2018 11:55 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 2 June 2018 02:04:11 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2018 10:40 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 1 June 2018 03:35:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2018 8:12 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 31 May 2018 14:41:18 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:36 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 18:12:42 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:55 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 17:13:14 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 12:30 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 05:15:46 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2018 2:35 AM, Zelos Malum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den lördag 26 maj 2018 kl. 19:03:58 UTC+2 skrev mlwo.....@wp..pl:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, your precious Godel's theorem can be proven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any set of axioms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Godel's theorem can be proven in a very broad range of axioms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not in every set of axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we can make a consistent set of axioms where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's negation is provable. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, as I understand it, that's wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have misunderstood what Zelos Malum was saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he is telling you that what you said there is wrong, I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the negation ~G can be _stated_ , then we have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions necessary to prove Godel's theorem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            G  <->  ~Provable[G]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I've said, you're free to believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm even free to believe arithmetic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one question - the chances you'll get conscious are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low, but not 0. How are you going to prove that AP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language has such a feature from assumed Peano axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I discuss this in the part of my previous post you haven't read.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look for "beta function".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, no, no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I say: recursion isn't a correct construction in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language of PA. Only "macro-like" predicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions are allowed. I say and I assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as an axiom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What now?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine. Only macro-like definitions it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The beta function is what is used to translate recursive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim, on what are you going to use this translating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> function? I've just assumed as an axiom there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no correct recursive predicate definitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "provable" predicate is no more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No. You can't get rid of the "provable" predicate by adding a axiom to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> system that already has it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But I can get rid of it by changing the metatheory saying
>>>>>>>>>>> this system has it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you change the metatheory you haven't changed the system,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I have. Something was correct in its language and
>>>>>>>>> now it is not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You simply don't have the ability to talk about that theory using that
>>>>>>>> metatheory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because UUUU!!UUUUUI!!!UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
>>>>>>> of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're only imagining, as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you add an axiom that says that there isn't a "provable" predicate to
>>>>>>>>>> a theory that has, as a theorem, that there is a "provable" predicate,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it doesn't have it.
>>>>>>>>> "There is a "provable" predicate in AP" is a theorem of
>>>>>>>>> metatheory, not a theorem of AP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The existence of the provable predicate does not depend on the existence
>>>>>>>> of a proof in the metatheory of that provable predicate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could as well say that the sum of angles
>>>>>>> in a real triangle can't depend on geometry we assumed,
>>>>>>> poor halfbrain...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could, after all, you've been arguing that for some time. However, I
>>>>>> happen to know better.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the sum of triangles does depend on a proof in geometry,
>>>>
>>>> No. (I see your attempt to move the goal posts.)
>>>
>>> No matter what you see, you're wrong - yes.
>>>
>>
>> No. You went from "can't depend on geometry" to "does depend on proof in
>> geometry".
> 
> And yes, it does.
> 

No, it really doesn't. You (well not you) can see this by dropping an 
axiom. You loose proofs but your intended model doesn't change.

Martin Shobe

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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 03:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 11:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 00:48 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-04 06:42 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 06:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 20:34 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 19:04 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 21:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:17 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 13:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 13:56 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-29 22:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-01 09:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:28 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:14 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:53 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:09 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 18:58 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 06:18 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-28 16:32 +0000
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:17 -0400
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:02 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:29 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:56 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:16 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 04:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 05:21 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 05:46 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 23:02 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 23:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:28 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 00:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 04:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:45 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 06:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:52 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:26 -0700

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