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Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem

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Date 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
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Subject Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 03:35:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> On 5/31/2018 8:12 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Thursday, 31 May 2018 14:41:18 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
> >> On 5/28/2018 11:36 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 18:12:42 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
> >>>> On 5/28/2018 11:55 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 17:13:14 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/28/2018 12:30 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 05:15:46 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/27/2018 2:35 AM, Zelos Malum wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Den lördag 26 maj 2018 kl. 19:03:58 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp.pl:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, your precious Godel's theorem can be proven
> >>>>>>>>>> in any set of axioms?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Godel's theorem can be proven in a very broad range of axioms,
> >>>>>>>> but not in every set of axioms.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, we can make a consistent set of axioms where
> >>>>>>> it's negation is provable. Right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, as I understand it, that's wrong.
> >>>>>> I may have misunderstood what Zelos Malum was saying.
> >>>>>> If he is telling you that what you said there is wrong, I agree.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the negation ~G can be _stated_ , then we have the
> >>>>>> conditions necessary to prove Godel's theorem
> >>>>>>       G  <->  ~Provable[G]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I've said, you're free to believe anything.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm even free to believe arithmetic?
> >>>
> >>> Why not?
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Just one question - the chances you'll get conscious are
> >>>>>>> low, but not 0. How are you going to prove that AP
> >>>>>>> language has such a feature from assumed Peano axioms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I discuss this in the part of my previous post you haven't read.
> >>>>>> Look for "beta function".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, no, no.
> >>>>> I say: recursion isn't a correct construction in the
> >>>>> language of PA. Only "macro-like" predicate
> >>>>> definitions are allowed. I say and I assume
> >>>>> it as an axiom.
> >>>>> What now?
> >>>>
> >>>> Fine. Only macro-like definitions it is.
> >>>> The beta function is what is used to translate recursive
> >>>> definitions
> >>>
> >>> Jim, on what are you going to use this translating
> >>> function? I've just assumed as an axiom there are
> >>> no correct recursive predicate definitions.
> >>>
> >>> The "provable" predicate is no more.
> >>
> >> No. You can't get rid of the "provable" predicate by adding a axiom to a
> >> system that already has it.
> > 
> > But I can get rid of it by changing the metatheory saying
> > this system has it.
> 
> If you change the metatheory you haven't changed the system,

Yes, I have. Something was correct in its language and
now it is not.


 so no you 
> still haven't gotten rid of it.

So I have.

> > No, you're only imagining, as usual.
> 
> If you add an axiom that says that there isn't a "provable" predicate to 
> a theory that has, as a theorem, that there is a "provable" predicate, 

But it doesn't have it.
"There is a "provable" predicate in AP" is a theorem of
metatheory, not a theorem of AP.

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The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 15:51 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-05-24 19:03 -0400
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-05-24 19:03 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:37 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-25 10:23 +0100
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:03 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:30 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:36 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:46 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-28 11:23 +0100
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:32 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 13:34 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 20:38 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:10 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 13:36 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 09:09 -0500
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:36 -0700
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 13:37 -0500
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 12:06 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 10:56 -0500
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 10:03 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:44 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-27 23:15 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 21:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 11:13 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 08:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 12:12 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 09:36 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 10:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 19:46 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 21:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-29 13:31 +0200
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 04:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 10:28 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 09:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 11:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 18:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 11:34 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 14:38 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 19:00 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 23:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 00:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 01:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 02:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:34 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:52 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:57 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 10:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 08:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 18:09 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 18:55 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 23:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 11:28 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 13:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 18:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 15:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 19:21 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 05:35 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 03:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 11:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 00:48 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-04 06:42 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 06:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 20:34 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 19:04 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 21:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:15 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:47 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:43 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-09 02:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:05 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:31 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-13 02:22 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 01:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:53 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:34 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:31 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-20 00:53 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:43 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 00:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 23:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-25 01:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:43 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-27 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 22:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-28 00:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 22:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-28 23:51 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 01:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-29 02:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:51 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 13:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 13:56 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-01 09:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:28 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:14 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:53 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:09 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 18:58 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 06:18 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-28 16:32 +0000
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:17 -0400
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:02 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:29 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:56 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:16 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 04:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 05:21 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 05:46 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 23:02 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 23:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:28 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 00:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 04:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:45 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 06:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:52 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:26 -0700

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