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Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem

From "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem
Date 2018-05-25 09:09 -0500
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On 5/24/2018 5:51 PM, David Petry wrote:
> 
> 
> Let's reason about this with natural, intuitive, common sense logic.
> 
> First, I claim that we are justified in saying "if A, then B" if and only if we have a way of converting a proof of 'A' into a proof of 'B'.  If you doubt that, think about this:  Let's pretend that you just said "if A, then B".  So I say to you, look, I can prove that 'A' is true, but I don't see why 'B' must be true.  So show me a proof of 'B', based on the proof of 'A' that I provided.  If you can't do that, then you were never justified in saying that "if A, then B".

That makes you some form of intuitionist I believe.

> So now let's look at Godel's theorem.  His second theorem.  It says that if mathematics is consistent, then mathematics cannot prove that mathematics is consistent.

No. That's certainly a consequence, but that's not what it says. A much 
better reading would be

	There are no recursive, consistent, and complete theories that encode 
Robinson arithmetic.

> So let's apply the principle I argued for in a preceding paragraph.  Godel's theorem must be equivalent to "we have a way of converting a proof of the consistency of mathematics into a proof that there does not exist a proof of the consistency of mathematics".   In other words, Godel's proof tells us nothing at all.  It's vacuous.

And a straw-man.

> Please think about this:  is it not the purpose of mathematics to provide a framework that helps us reason about the real world? 

No. That's only one use.

> Does Godel's theorem help us reason about the real world?

Yes.

> In the past 85 years, have any practical applications in technology or the sciences for Godel's theorem emerged?  Is there any reason to believe that such practical applications could emerge?

Moving the goalposts.

Martin Shobe

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The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 15:51 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-05-24 19:03 -0400
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-24 16:51 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-05-24 19:03 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:37 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-25 10:23 +0100
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 10:56 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:03 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:30 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:36 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:46 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-28 11:23 +0100
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:32 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 13:34 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 20:38 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:10 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 13:36 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 09:09 -0500
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:36 -0700
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 13:37 -0500
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 12:06 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 10:56 -0500
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 10:03 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:44 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-27 23:15 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 21:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 11:13 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 08:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 12:12 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 09:36 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 10:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 19:46 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 21:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-29 13:31 +0200
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 04:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 10:28 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 09:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 11:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 18:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 11:34 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 14:38 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 19:00 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 23:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 00:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 01:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 02:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:34 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:52 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:57 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 10:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 08:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 18:09 -0400
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 05:35 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 03:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 11:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 00:48 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-04 06:42 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 06:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 20:34 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 19:04 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 21:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:15 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:32 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:47 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:43 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-09 02:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:05 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:31 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 01:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:53 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:34 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:43 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 01:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 02:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 23:13 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 23:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 00:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 23:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-26 23:43 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:35 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 22:41 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-01 09:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:28 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:14 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:53 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:09 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 18:58 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 06:18 -0700
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          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:56 -0700
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              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 04:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 05:21 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 23:02 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:28 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 04:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:45 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 06:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:52 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:26 -0700

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