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Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem

From "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem
Date 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
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On 6/4/2018 8:29 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:17:36 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 6/1/2018 11:55 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 2 June 2018 02:04:11 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2018 10:40 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 1 June 2018 03:35:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/2018 8:12 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 31 May 2018 14:41:18 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:36 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 18:12:42 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:55 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 17:13:14 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 12:30 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 05:15:46 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2018 2:35 AM, Zelos Malum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den lördag 26 maj 2018 kl. 19:03:58 UTC+2 skrev mlwo....@wp..pl:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, your precious Godel's theorem can be proven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any set of axioms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Godel's theorem can be proven in a very broad range of axioms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not in every set of axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we can make a consistent set of axioms where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's negation is provable. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, as I understand it, that's wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have misunderstood what Zelos Malum was saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If he is telling you that what you said there is wrong, I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the negation ~G can be _stated_ , then we have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions necessary to prove Godel's theorem
>>>>>>>>>>>>          G  <->  ~Provable[G]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I've said, you're free to believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm even free to believe arithmetic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one question - the chances you'll get conscious are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> low, but not 0. How are you going to prove that AP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> language has such a feature from assumed Peano axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I discuss this in the part of my previous post you haven't read.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Look for "beta function".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, no, no.
>>>>>>>>>>> I say: recursion isn't a correct construction in the
>>>>>>>>>>> language of PA. Only "macro-like" predicate
>>>>>>>>>>> definitions are allowed. I say and I assume
>>>>>>>>>>> it as an axiom.
>>>>>>>>>>> What now?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fine. Only macro-like definitions it is.
>>>>>>>>>> The beta function is what is used to translate recursive
>>>>>>>>>> definitions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim, on what are you going to use this translating
>>>>>>>>> function? I've just assumed as an axiom there are
>>>>>>>>> no correct recursive predicate definitions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "provable" predicate is no more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. You can't get rid of the "provable" predicate by adding a axiom to a
>>>>>>>> system that already has it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I can get rid of it by changing the metatheory saying
>>>>>>> this system has it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you change the metatheory you haven't changed the system,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have. Something was correct in its language and
>>>>> now it is not.
>>>>
>>>> You simply don't have the ability to talk about that theory using that
>>>> metatheory.
>>>
>>> Because UUUU!!UUUUUI!!!UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
>>> of course.
>>
>> ???
>>
>>>>>>> No, you're only imagining, as usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you add an axiom that says that there isn't a "provable" predicate to
>>>>>> a theory that has, as a theorem, that there is a "provable" predicate,
>>>>>
>>>>> But it doesn't have it.
>>>>> "There is a "provable" predicate in AP" is a theorem of
>>>>> metatheory, not a theorem of AP.
>>>>
>>>> The existence of the provable predicate does not depend on the existence
>>>> of a proof in the metatheory of that provable predicate.
>>>
>>> You could as well say that the sum of angles
>>> in a real triangle can't depend on geometry we assumed,
>>> poor halfbrain...
>>>
>>
>> I could, after all, you've been arguing that for some time. However, I
>> happen to know better.
> 
> So, the sum of triangles does depend on a proof in geometry,

No. (I see your attempt to move the goal posts.)

> and the existence of the provable predicate does depend
> on  a proof in the metatheory. You're, of course, too stupid to
> understand it, but the same rules are applied here.
> 

Martin Shobe

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      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 13:37 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 19:46 -0400
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 09:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 11:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 18:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 11:34 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 14:38 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 23:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 00:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 01:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 02:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:34 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:52 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:57 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 10:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 08:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 18:09 -0400
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 13:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 18:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 15:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 19:21 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 05:35 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 03:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 11:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 00:48 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-04 06:42 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 06:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 20:34 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 19:04 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 21:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:15 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:47 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:43 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-09 02:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:05 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:31 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-13 02:22 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 01:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:53 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:01 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:28 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:14 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:53 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 21:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:17 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:09 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 18:58 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 06:18 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-28 16:32 +0000
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:17 -0400
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:02 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:29 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:56 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:16 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 04:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 05:21 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 05:46 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 23:02 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 23:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:28 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 00:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 04:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:45 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 06:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:52 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:26 -0700

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