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Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem

From "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem
Date 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
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On 6/1/2018 11:55 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> On Saturday, 2 June 2018 02:04:11 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>> On 5/31/2018 10:40 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> On Friday, 1 June 2018 03:35:03 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2018 8:12 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 31 May 2018 14:41:18 UTC+2, Shobe, Martin  wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:36 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 18:12:42 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 11:55 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 17:13:14 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2018 12:30 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 05:15:46 UTC+2, Jim Burns  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/27/2018 2:35 AM, Zelos Malum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den lördag 26 maj 2018 kl. 19:03:58 UTC+2 skrev mlwo...@wp..pl:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, your precious Godel's theorem can be proven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in any set of axioms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Godel's theorem can be proven in a very broad range of axioms,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not in every set of axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, we can make a consistent set of axioms where
>>>>>>>>>>> it's negation is provable. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, as I understand it, that's wrong.
>>>>>>>>>> I may have misunderstood what Zelos Malum was saying.
>>>>>>>>>> If he is telling you that what you said there is wrong, I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the negation ~G can be _stated_ , then we have the
>>>>>>>>>> conditions necessary to prove Godel's theorem
>>>>>>>>>>         G  <->  ~Provable[G]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I've said, you're free to believe anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm even free to believe arithmetic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just one question - the chances you'll get conscious are
>>>>>>>>>>> low, but not 0. How are you going to prove that AP
>>>>>>>>>>> language has such a feature from assumed Peano axioms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I discuss this in the part of my previous post you haven't read.
>>>>>>>>>> Look for "beta function".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, no, no.
>>>>>>>>> I say: recursion isn't a correct construction in the
>>>>>>>>> language of PA. Only "macro-like" predicate
>>>>>>>>> definitions are allowed. I say and I assume
>>>>>>>>> it as an axiom.
>>>>>>>>> What now?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fine. Only macro-like definitions it is.
>>>>>>>> The beta function is what is used to translate recursive
>>>>>>>> definitions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim, on what are you going to use this translating
>>>>>>> function? I've just assumed as an axiom there are
>>>>>>> no correct recursive predicate definitions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "provable" predicate is no more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. You can't get rid of the "provable" predicate by adding a axiom to a
>>>>>> system that already has it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I can get rid of it by changing the metatheory saying
>>>>> this system has it.
>>>>
>>>> If you change the metatheory you haven't changed the system,
>>>
>>> Yes, I have. Something was correct in its language and
>>> now it is not.
>>
>> You simply don't have the ability to talk about that theory using that
>> metatheory.
> 
> Because UUUU!!UUUUUI!!!UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
> of course.

???

>>>>> No, you're only imagining, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> If you add an axiom that says that there isn't a "provable" predicate to
>>>> a theory that has, as a theorem, that there is a "provable" predicate,
>>>
>>> But it doesn't have it.
>>> "There is a "provable" predicate in AP" is a theorem of
>>> metatheory, not a theorem of AP.
>>
>> The existence of the provable predicate does not depend on the existence
>> of a proof in the metatheory of that provable predicate.
> 
> You could as well say that the sum of angles
> in a real triangle can't depend on geometry we assumed,
> poor halfbrain...
> 

I could, after all, you've been arguing that for some time. However, I 
happen to know better.

Martin Shobe

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The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 15:51 -0700
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  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-05-24 19:03 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 22:37 -0700
  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-25 10:23 +0100
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    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:32 -0700
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        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 20:38 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 22:10 -0700
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  Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 09:09 -0500
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:36 -0700
    Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 09:13 -0700
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 13:37 -0500
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 12:06 -0700
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              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:44 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-27 23:15 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 21:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 11:13 -0400
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 10:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 19:46 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 21:19 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 10:28 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 09:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 11:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-29 18:38 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 11:34 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 14:38 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-30 19:00 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 23:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 00:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 01:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 02:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:34 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 03:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 04:52 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 04:57 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 10:14 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 08:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-31 18:09 -0400
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 23:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 11:28 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 13:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 18:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 15:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-01 19:21 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 05:35 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 03:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-02 11:20 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-02 09:32 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 00:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 00:48 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 02:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-04 06:42 -0400
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 06:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 06:12 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 20:34 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-31 20:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 19:04 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-01 21:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 08:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-04 06:29 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 08:13 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-05 06:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-05 16:17 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-06 23:15 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 07:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 05:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-07 16:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-07 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 22:47 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 07:41 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 06:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-08 16:43 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-09 02:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-10 17:05 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-11 20:36 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-11 21:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 18:31 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-12 21:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-13 02:22 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 06:32 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 01:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 23:16 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:07 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 00:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:11 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 03:24 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 03:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:19 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 04:41 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 04:53 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:49 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 05:55 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 00:03 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 00:27 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 04:01 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-18 09:33 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:16 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 13:56 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:06 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-01 09:55 -0700
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-14 09:14 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-14 16:53 -0500
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                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 00:09 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-15 18:58 -0500
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-15 20:58 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-10 21:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 03:00 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-06-08 06:18 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 22:26 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-28 16:32 +0000
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-28 13:17 -0400
      Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:02 -0700
        Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 23:29 -0700
          Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 23:56 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:16 -0700
              Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 23:35 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 23:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 03:42 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 04:20 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 05:21 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 05:46 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 23:02 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-27 23:23 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:28 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 00:39 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 03:40 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 04:10 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 05:45 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-28 06:08 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:54 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:13 -0700
                Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:52 -0700
            Re: The absurdity of Godel's theorem mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-26 01:26 -0700

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