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Re: There is no standard

From "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: There is no standard
Date 2014-06-28 14:24 -0400
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:12:45 -0400, Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Programming languages generally suck.  They're terrible.  Far too  
> complicated than what they need to be.

Which languages are exempt from "generally"?

I'd guess that you'd say three languages: BASIC, C, Forth.  BASIC
because it's simple.  C and Forth because they're close the machine.

Is that a good guess?

Or, do you mean C and Forth are "far too complicated" too? ...

In that case, you're no longer criticizing the language, but criticing
the complexity of the machine.   I.e., you're saying the EE's (electrical
engineers) who designed the machine are too smart for you because they
designed in too much complexity for you to handle.

> People spend more time dealing with the tool than being original
> or solving problems.

I don't see that as being the case with C.


Rod Pemberton

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There is no standard Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-24 10:22 -0700
  Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 12:47 -0700
  Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 12:48 -0700
    Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-24 10:05 -1000
      Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 13:19 -0700
        Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-24 10:29 -1000
        Re: There is no standard mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-24 13:33 -0700
          Re: There is no standard AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-06-24 22:47 +0200
      Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 15:02 -0700
        Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-24 12:50 -1000
          Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 05:22 -0700
            Re: There is no standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 13:39 +0000
              Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 08:16 -0700
                Re: There is no standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-06-25 17:04 +0000
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 14:45 -0700
                Re: There is no standard hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 15:16 -0700
                Re: There is no standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-26 11:47 +0000
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 12:22 -0700
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-26 13:03 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:06 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:08 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-26 18:47 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 16:03 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 16:25 -0700
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-26 20:21 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 04:53 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 06:56 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 08:30 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 08:45 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:01 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:14 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:20 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:43 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-28 14:24 -0400
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 14:08 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-26 17:45 -1000
                Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-26 15:05 -1000
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 05:03 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-26 09:29 -0500
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 12:46 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 16:10 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:15 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 22:29 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-27 03:28 -0500
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 08:22 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-27 10:30 -0500
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 08:52 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:13 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 11:29 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 12:32 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-27 12:42 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-28 15:32 -0400
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 13:01 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 13:29 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 16:14 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 02:16 -0700
                Re: There is no standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-28 12:22 +0000
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 07:34 -0700
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-28 10:26 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-28 07:18 -1000
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 12:35 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-28 11:31 -1000
                Re: There is no standard Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 03:20 +0300
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-28 21:11 -0700
                Re: There is no standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-29 10:16 +0000
                Re: There is no standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-29 11:00 +0000
                Re: There is no standard mhx@iae.nl - 2014-06-29 05:12 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 15:46 +0300
                Re: There is no standard stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-06-29 14:48 +0000
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 18:43 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 05:58 -0700
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-29 06:35 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 11:03 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-28 12:13 -0500
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-26 20:51 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 06:33 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-27 03:25 -0500
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-28 14:31 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-29 15:01 +0200
                Re: There is no standard Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-06-29 14:35 -0500
                Re: There is no standard Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-06-30 03:20 +0200
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-28 21:30 -0700
                Re: There is no standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-06-29 10:27 +0000
              Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 08:18 -0700
            Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-25 07:47 -1000
              Re: There is no standard hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-25 14:48 -0700
              Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 15:25 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 16:51 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 03:54 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-06-26 08:06 -1000
                Re: There is no standard hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 14:08 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:46 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:54 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:55 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-27 00:00 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 07:06 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 07:06 -0700
                Re: There is no standard Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 07:13 -0700
                Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-30 06:38 -0400
                Re: There is no standard bruce.mcfarling@gmail.com - 2014-06-26 12:06 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 16:18 -0400
                Re: There is no standard Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 15:23 -0700
                Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 22:31 -0400
  Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-24 16:01 -0400
    Re: There is no standard Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2014-06-25 05:04 -0500
      Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 15:44 -0400
        Re: There is no standard googlegroups@mailfilter.33mail.com - 2014-06-25 13:52 -0700
        Re: There is no standard barrym95838@yahoo.com - 2014-06-26 14:16 -0700
          Re: There is no standard m II <C@in.the.hat> - 2014-06-26 19:37 -0600
          Re: There is no standard rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-06-26 22:35 -0400
  Re: There is no standard Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-25 09:47 -0700
    Re: There is no standard Roger Levy <roger.levy@gmail.com> - 2014-06-25 10:10 -0700
    Re: There is no standard "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-06-25 18:16 -0400
      Re: There is no standard BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2014-06-28 13:52 -0700

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