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| From | amdx <nojunk@knology.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Why Have Medical Insurance? |
| Date | 2017-05-15 13:55 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <ofctcs$si7$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 5/13/2017 4:18 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 5/13/2017 5:04 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> Den lørdag den 13. maj 2017 kl. 22.11.51 UTC+2 skrev Kevin Aylward:
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:f136f520-cae4-40d4-a068-9e96763353b7@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 1:06:12 AM UTC+10, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 May 2017 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Of course, that is the very definition of insurance. You pool the
>>>>>> costs
>>>>> of everyone in the group. "
>>>>>
>>>>> Then everyone's premiums should be the same. I don't see that working.
>>>>
>>>>> NO, lefties want premiums to be based on your ability to pay. You
>>>>> know, as Marx taught.
>>>
>>>> "To each according to their needs, from each according to their
>>>> abilities".
>>>
>>>> Most universal health care schemes seem to extract roughly the same
>>>> amount
>>>> of money from everybody who can pay, and use that to cover them and the
>>>> people who can't.
>>>
>>>> It works. The Marxist prescription would work too, but tends to
>>>> upset the
>>>> people with the greater ability to pay. That's how defense gets paid
>>>> for,
>>>> but the people with the greater ability to pay also >feel a greater
>>>> need
>>>> for good defenses, while they think that they are less likely to get
>>>> sick
>>>> than the poor.
>>>
>>> "Free"/state health care for the masses is probably one of the few
>>> issues
>>> that I am in complete agreement with you on Bill.
>>>
>>> Any "rich" country that allows millions of its children , to
>>> effectively, be
>>> devoid of health care, can not be considered "civilised" by any
>>> stretch of
>>> the imagination.
>>>
>>> The children are blameless, and need medical protection. Period.
>>
>> yeh, kids don't choose their parents
>>
>> We have tax paid healthcare here, with the exception of regular
>> dentist work
>> that is only covered until you are 18 and for the most part integrated
>> into
>> the school system
>>
>> healthcare is the second largest post on the government budget at 16%
>> which if I can do math is roughly 4000usd per year per person
>
> I remember a British TV show called Torchwood. One season was about an
> anti-epidemic where no one died, they still got sick, they just never
> died and so would be in perpetual care.
Oh man, that would be a weapon of mass destruction that could collapse a
society in just a few years.
Mikek
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