Re: Editor for Forth

From	Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Editor for Forth
Date	2017-05-11 15:44 -0500
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On 5/11/2017 1:41 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 5/11/2017 5:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But isn't eMacs a keyboard based editor with multi-keys to select
>>> the functions like Vin?
>>
>> Surely all editors are keyboard based?  I don't really understand the
>> point you're making.  If you want menus in Emacs you can turn them on.
>> These days I think they're enabled by default.
> 
> Do you really not understand what he means?  Old school editors do 
> everything through many and varied multi-finger key presses.  In the 
> case of emacs the modifier names are system independent so they aren't 
> convenient for anyone.  Hard to visualize and hard to learn.
> 
> The only menu used often in GUI apps is the right click menu instantly 
> available and flexible with context.  Until you have used multi-finger 
> keystrokes some thousands of times and they become ingrained toolbars 
> are much more convenient.  So it's all about the learning curve.
> 

Got it right, after a while it is automatic, muscle memory but getting 
there takes a lot of effort.

All editors use the keyboard but some a lot more than others. Many 
Window editors I own you can do most of the useful stuff without the 
keyboard and just using the mouse. Those editors have shortcuts that are 
generally one key to activate the feature if you want to use the 
keyboard but not three to four keystrokes.

Emacs and Vim have a lot of four key selections with no other option, 
eventually I will need to make the effort but right now I have too many 
things going on.

Most likely the switch to a common editor will have to wait as my 
options require a large learning curve.
-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 17:07 -0500
  Re: Editor for Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 15:47 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 18:52 -0500
  Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 19:06 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 19:05 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 20:42 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-10 19:59 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 21:11 -0400
  Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 17:36 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 07:33 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 20:39 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 07:09 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:57 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:15 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:35 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:49 +0300
      Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 23:42 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:53 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 09:59 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 04:32 -0400
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 05:52 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:07 +0300
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 07:10 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:10 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:15 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 07:53 +0200
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 01:20 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-10 23:44 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-11 08:57 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-11 04:34 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 06:29 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-11 07:05 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 08:05 -0700
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:34 -0500
              Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 18:21 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 21:53 -0500
                Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 23:37 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 02:50 -0500
                Re: Editor for Forth Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 00:11 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:41 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 15:44 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:52 +0300
          Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-12 02:28 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 12:43 -0400
              Re: Editor for Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:17 -0700
                Re: Editor for Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-13 04:39 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2017-05-11 08:33 +0100
  Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 07:09 +0300
    Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-11 00:22 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 08:35 +0300
      Re: Editor for Forth JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-11 00:46 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-05-11 00:50 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 00:32 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-11 08:03 +0000
  Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-12 04:50 -0700
    Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 12:54 -0400
      Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 07:09 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 13:48 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Mark C <mdcorbin@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-14 11:10 -0700
        Re: Editor for Forth peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-05-14 14:28 -0700
          Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 23:02 -0400
            Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-15 00:03 -0500
            Re: Editor for Forth peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2017-05-15 13:33 -0700
  Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-12 19:35 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 21:16 -0400
    Re: Editor for Forth Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 22:53 -0700
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 02:51 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 00:02 -0700
          Re: Editor for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-13 13:36 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-13 09:09 +0200
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-13 02:41 -0500
        Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 10:31 -0400
  Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 16:43 -0500
    Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-20 15:32 -0700
      Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 18:57 -0400
        Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:16 -0500
          Re: Editor for Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-20 16:40 -0700
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 22:04 -0400
              Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 07:04 +0300
        Re: Editor for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-21 06:53 +0000
          Re: Editor for Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 10:24 +0300
            Re: Editor for Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-21 14:54 +0000
          Re: Editor for Forth albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-21 20:11 +0200
            Re: Editor for Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 14:23 -0400
          Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-21 13:23 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:15 -0500
      Re: Editor for Forth Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-05-20 18:33 -0500

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