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| From | amdx <nojunk@knology.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Vaccinations |
| Date | 2017-02-09 11:04 -0600 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <o7i7au$ct8$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <o7hebv$8bo$1@dont-email.me> <o7hght$fja$1@dont-email.me> <o7hl5o$umg$1@dont-email.me> <o7hmnq$90a$1@dont-email.me> <iY0nA.843516$eY3.396534@fx44.am4> |
On 2/9/2017 10:40 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 09/02/17 12:20, rickman wrote:
>> On 2/9/2017 6:54 AM, David Brown wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> There you go again. I had a friend who nearly died of shingles. Yes,
>> nearly
>> died. You just don't get it.
>
> Anecdotes aren't epidemiology!
>
>>> In the meantime, in countries like Norway where there is no mass
>>> vaccination against chickenpox, the simplest, cheapest, most reliable
>>> and least unpleasant alternative is to accept that your (otherwise
>>> healthy) kids /will/ get chickenpox, and the earlier they get it, the
>>> better.
>>
>> More bullshit. Get the vaccine. You don't have to wait for someone
>> to shove it
>> down your throats.
>
> The UK experience and recommendations indicate that it
> isn't as clear-cut as you believe.
>
> The introduction of a mass chickenpox vaccination
> programme in the UK and several other European
> countries has been delayed due to concerns that
> an increase in herpes zoster incidence would occur.
> Some studies suggest that these concerns may be more
> theoretical than real.[16]However, the phenomenon
> has been seen in the USA since the introduction of
> mass vaccination,and the increase in herpes zoster
> has reduced the cost-effectiveness of the programme.[17]
>
> * A vaccine is available in the UK and is offered to
> healthcare workers who may come into contact with
> the disease whilst not immune. This appears to
> represent about 10% of the adult population.[18]
> * The Health Protection Agency (now part of Public Health
> England (PHE)) also states that the vaccine may be
> given to children aged 1-12 years who are close
> contacts of those people considered to be at high
> risk of severe chickenpox or shingles infection.
> It is also licensed for healthy adults and children
> over 13 years old who are not immune to chickenpox
> (indicated by blood tests). Women who are not
> immune but are actively trying to conceive, would
> be eligible and their vaccination is recommended
> by the Royal College of Obstetricians and
> Gynaecologists.[14]Therefore, whilst not going as
> far as endorsing a mass programme, public health
> advice gives GPs considerable leeway to give the
> vaccine to patients who fall within the broad criteria.
> * Two doses of vaccine are given 4-8 weeks apart
> and seroconversion is not routinely assessed. More
> information about the vaccine is available from the
> Department of Health's Green Book. The two-dose
> schedule affords 98% protection in children and
> 75% protection in adolescents and adults.[19]
>
> Crude mortality rates from chickenpox are 2-4 per 100,000.[2]
>
> The references can be found in the source document
> http://patient.info/doctor/chickenpox-pro
>
And then the question remains, of those 2-4 per 100,000,
how many are say, under 9, and could have been at one of those
chickenpox parties.
And what's this with you introducing science into this!!
Mikek :-)
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Vaccinations Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 17:50 -0700
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-06 16:55 -0800
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:26 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 17:56 -0700
Re: Vaccinations "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> - 2017-02-06 17:01 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 18:04 -0700
Re: Vaccinations Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-07 12:21 +1100
Re: Vaccinations Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-06 18:57 -0700
Re: Vaccinations Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-07 13:17 +1100
Re: Vaccinations Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-02-07 10:22 +0800
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:35 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-07 13:39 +1100
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 23:31 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-02-06 22:47 -0500
Re: Vaccinations John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-06 20:46 -0800
Re: Vaccinations bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-02-07 02:20 -0800
Re: Vaccinations dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-02-07 11:30 -0800
Re: Vaccinations John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-07 12:03 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:22 +0800
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 05:23 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:39 +0800
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-08 06:12 -0800
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 15:38 +0100
Re: Vaccinations M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2017-02-09 19:27 -0500
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 16:59 -0800
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-08 06:09 -0800
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 15:39 +0100
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:05 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-02-06 22:45 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-07 08:21 +0000
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-07 08:19 +0000
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 04:20 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-07 09:42 +0000
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-07 17:57 +0000
Re: Vaccinations Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-07 11:12 -0700
Re: Vaccinations "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2017-02-07 15:43 -0500
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-07 21:15 -0500
Re: Vaccinations amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-08 07:46 -0600
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 12:45 -0500
Re: Vaccinations dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-02-08 11:33 -0800
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:19 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:57 +0000
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 13:16 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-02-08 18:32 +0000
Re: Vaccinations Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-08 12:09 -0700
Re: Vaccinations John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-02-07 21:08 +0000
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-08 12:45 +0100
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-08 18:00 +0000
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 13:16 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-08 11:28 -0700
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-08 20:33 -0500
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:26 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-08 23:09 +0000
Re: Vaccinations Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-08 15:33 -0800
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-08 15:42 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-08 23:43 +0000
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 20:56 -0500
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-09 10:58 +0100
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 05:35 -0500
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-09 12:54 +0100
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 07:20 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-09 13:38 +0000
Re: Vaccinations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-09 14:56 +0100
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 17:47 -0500
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 17:16 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-09 16:40 +0000
Re: Vaccinations amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-09 11:04 -0600
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 17:46 -0500
Re: Vaccinations amdx <nojunk@knology.net> - 2017-02-09 09:15 -0600
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-10 16:36 +0000
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-10 16:41 -0800
Re: Vaccinations John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 09:12 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-08 09:36 -0800
Re: Vaccinations John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 12:40 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-08 11:51 -0700
Re: Vaccinations John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-02-09 15:02 +0000
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-09 17:46 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-10 16:52 +0000
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-10 16:46 -0800
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-09 21:12 -0500
Re: Vaccinations bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 19:01 -0800
Re: Vaccinations John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 08:23 +0000
Re: Vaccinations krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-10 12:23 -0500
Re: Vaccinations John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-02-10 18:09 +0000
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:31 -0500
Re: Vaccinations artie <artie.m@gNOSPAMmail.com> - 2017-02-06 17:28 -0800
Re: Vaccinations Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-02-06 19:11 -0700
Re: Vaccinations rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 21:34 -0500
Re: Vaccinations Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2017-02-07 01:52 +0000
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