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Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.

From HGW <hw@....>
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Subject Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.
Date 2016-09-24 09:30 +1000
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On 23/09/16 22:02, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/22/2016 4:04 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:

>>
>> there are no observers...and they would make no difference anyway.
>> Consider the source is in remote space and there is nothing else.
>
> Then you've got no way to know whether the light is emitted at c
> relative to the source or relative to something else, do you?
>
> Get it through your head that these questions are answered by
> EXPERIMENT, not by "imagine a universe where there is only a source and
> light from the source, and in this universe the only POSSIBLE reference
> for c is the source". Such an imaginary universe doesn't have anything
> to do with the real world.

Shut up about your imaginary experiments, Bodkin. You dreamed about 
them, that's all.

How can a light pulse emitted in remote space have any speed reference 
other than its own source?
After it is emitted, it has no particular speed EXCEPT  that relative to 
its source frame. Rather, it is inertial and there is an infinite range 
of speeds that other objects in the universe have relative to it!

>>
>> Why should not the later emitted pulses eventually catch the earlier
>> ones? Is some kind of medium restricting their natural movement?
>
> Because they are not ejected from the source at c (except by accidental
> choice of reference frame).

Bodkin, all light is believed to be emitted at c relative to its own 
source. All real experiments agree with that.


>


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