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Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Question For Relativity 'Experts'.
Date 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
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On 9/22/2016 4:04 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
> On 23/09/16 06:13, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/22/2016 2:58 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>
>>>>> What happens to bullets fired from an accelerating machine gun in
>>>>> remote
>>>>> space?
>>>>> What would photons not do the same?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Photons are not like bullets.
>>>> They do not care about the gun speed.
>>>
>>> Poutnik the gun emits a bullet. The bullet moves at v relative to the
>>> gun. The gun accelerates to a new speed before the next bullet is fired.
>>> That bullet again moves at v relative to the gun. It doesn't care one
>>> iota what the previous bullet did.
>>>
>>> So why do you think a light pulse from an accelerating source possesses
>>> some kind of intuition which allows it to adjust its speed to that of a
>>> previous pulse.
>>
>> It doesn't adjust because the light pulse is never emitted with any
>> particular speed relative to the SOURCE. Unlike the bullet.
>
> ..gawd! ....and I was hoping I had just lifted you out of the aether well.
>
>> If the source is at rest relative to the observer's rest frame, then the
>> light pulse will be traveling at c with respect to the OBSERVER'S FRAME.
>> It will also be traveling at c with respect to the source but only by
>> ACCIDENT, simply because the source is not moving with respect to the
>> observer's frame in this case.
>
> there are no observers...and they would make no difference anyway.
> Consider the source is in remote space and there is nothing else.

Then you've got no way to know whether the light is emitted at c 
relative to the source or relative to something else, do you?

Get it through your head that these questions are answered by 
EXPERIMENT, not by "imagine a universe where there is only a source and 
light from the source, and in this universe the only POSSIBLE reference 
for c is the source". Such an imaginary universe doesn't have anything 
to do with the real world.

>
> Why should not the later emitted pulses eventually catch the earlier
> ones? Is some kind of medium restricting their natural movement?

Because they are not ejected from the source at c (except by accidental 
choice of reference frame).

>
>> In any other case where the source is not at rest relative to the
>> observer's frame, then the light pulse will not be traveling at c
>> relative to the source, illustrating the accidental nature mentioned in
>> the previous paragraph.
>>
>> Note that the OBSERVER or the OBSERVER'S EYES have nothing to do with
>> determining the speed of light. But the OBSERVER'S FRAME has everything
>> to do with determining the speed of that light pulse.
>>
>>> You must be raving mad if you think that.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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