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Re: Why would iOS be safer from spying than a well setup Android phone?

From	Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Subject	Re: Why would iOS be safer from spying than a well setup Android phone?
Date	2016-08-14 22:23 +0000
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
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On 14 Aug 2016 18:18:23 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Right, there are *many* different ways to identify someone over a
> network connection that have absolutely *nothing* to do with an
> advertising ID. 

This is one of the rare times where you have said something that is true.
In fact, on *all* computing devices, you can be tracked.

Heck ... even CPAP medical machines now have cellular modems in them such
that someone can track your sleep patters as it "phones home" every
morning. [They usually also have an airplane mode to prevent this.]

> He seems to be fixated on the advertising ID because
> there is a nifty GUI widget that lets you hide it in Android.

Have you never read a single thread in this newsgroup?

One by one, I identify, learn about, and then resolve each possible exploit
that is possible to resolve.

It just so happens that the Android ApID is trivial to resolve whereas, on
iOS, it's impossible.

That's just the way it turns out.

> And he
> seems to naively believe hiding it magically equates to *complete*
> removal from the device - without even bothering to check to see if that
> is true. 

It's gone. You know that, which is why you keep screaming about imaginary
blue hairy monsters in the closet, which, if you close the closet door, in
iOS, that makes you *feel* safe.

The fact is that the app that *creates* the AdID is gone.
And the app that *transmits* the AdID is not enabled.

You can scream all you want about Martians being among us, but until you
show that they're somehow there, then I can't prove to you that they're
not.

The onus is on you, not me, to prove something that doesn't exist, to
exist.

> He also hasn't bothered to check to see if the ID is being
> transmitted over the network. 

It's not even *generated*. 
And the app that tracks it is gone.
It's gone.

You need to prove that something which no longer exists, exists.
I can't prove to you that your imaginary creature exists.

> Chances are the ID is still on the device
> and is still being transmitted, unbeknownst to him.

It's impossible.
You just say that because you can't do it.
Sour grapes.

> And of course hiding
> the advertising ID doesn't magically make the many *other*
> identification vectors disappear in thin air.

Which is exactly why the title of this thread is why do Apple iOS users
*feel* so safe when they're actually no safer than anyone else (and
probably far less safe)?

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