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On 8/1/2016 10:45 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd wrote..
>> Jay, Newton's theory doesn't assume all the mass is in the center of the object. It is a
>> mathematically proven theorem that the mass of a spherically symmetric body behaves EXACTLY
>> LIKE a body where all the mass is concentrated at the center. It will make absolutely no
>> difference in Newtonian gravity whether you approach close to the surface of this distributed
>> body (where the surface is at radius R) or whether you are at a distance R from a point mass
>> at the center. None, nada, zip
>
> Your argument is at odds with the observations. If the distribution
> of mass made no difference vis a vis the distance (R). Then the observed
> anomaly would not appear to be greater the closer to the center of
> mass one is on the orbital path.

For a spherically symmetric distribution, that would be right.
There are two things to consider.
1. The sun is not spherically symmetric but oblate. The theorem I 
mentioned AS EXPRESSED does not apply, but it is possible to do the 
calculation of the correction due to that oblateness. Note that this has 
NOTHING TO DO with the equivalence between distributed mass in a 
spherical distribution and a point mass. The calculation to correct for 
the oblateness HAS BEEN DONE a long time ago and does not adequately 
explain the difference from observations.
2. Given that the correction for oblateness is the BEST ONE CAN DO with 
Newtonian gravity, the disagreement with observation would suggest that 
Newtonian gravity is simply wrong. Please note this. It does NOT mean 
Newtonian gravity could be right if only someone did the calculation 
right. That's been DONE, and the results do not agree. Therefore it is 
NOT POSSIBLE to do the calculation any better with Newtonian gravity.

> In other words, there would
> be no anomaly.
> Le Verrier calculated that mercurys orbit could be affected
> by placing some of the suns mass outside its center (vulcan). This wouldnt
> have worked unless the distribution of mass did make a difference to
> orbital paths when R becomes small enough.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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