Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces
Date	2016-06-01 16:46 -0500
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On 6/1/2016 3:10 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:04:41 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> On 6/1/2016 12:13 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 09:36:10 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. There are many kooks who have posted here who have self-published a
>>>> book. Keep in mind that this is an expense that, for someone who is
>>>> unemployed, is a substantial investment. And now those books are sitting
>>>> in a closet somewhere, or a small quantity available in a warehouse,
>>>> gathering dust, and the revenue is pitiful. But to chalk that up as
>>>> simply a waste of time, effort, and money is too painful.
>>>
>>> This thought can apply to other cases as well, BodBod.
>>> I have a feeling that for you, if you don't mind, the
>>> years you spent in university too closely resemble "a
>>> waste of time, effort, and money" and is "too
>>> painful."
>>
>> Um, no. My college years were terrific and I learned a ton, including
>> how to learn about things on my own. My focus was on mathematics and
>> philosophy, and both departments are fond of advising students that the
>> job opportunities in academia for both were extremely limited, and that
>> an applied or "tangential" career pursuit would be more fruitful. I knew
>> that going in. When I graduated, I took a job doing mathematical
>> modeling, which was very lucrative at the time. But as happens
>> sometimes, I decided to turn an avocation into a vocation. A friend of
>> mine graduated summa cum laude in political science, but loved playing
>> guitar so much (he practiced with Leo Kottke songs) that he ended up
>> working for Martin guitars as a craftsman like me. As you may know, Ed
>> Witten, the theoretical physicist, graduated with a degree in history
>> and linguistics, was a published author in political science and was
>> pursuing a career in politics, went back to graduate school to study
>> economics, then shifted first to applied mathematics and finally to
>> theoretical physics. For myself and my friend, we have no doubt about
>> the positive value of our educations, and I would be greatly surprised
>> if Witten thought it a waste.
>>
>
> I'm glad you don't consider those years waste of time
> and effort. If it was like spending it on listening to
> good music, it was worth it.

LOL. Some people go to college to find a life-long career. And it 
probably makes them lose sleep later when they decide they want to 
change careers. ("Why did I go to school all that time, only to change 
direction now?") I think the stat now is that people change jobs six 
times between the ages of 24 and 50, and the number of career changes is 
1-2 on average. Some people do it sooner, other people do it later. In 
the U.S. 25% of the job market is in Sales, but there is no major in 
college for that career. So everyone who goes to college and ends up in 
Sales, is their college education a waste?

I myself found the college education productive for something other than 
defining a life-long career, which is an expectation statistically bound 
to disappoint anyway.

>
>>> I think part of the reason you inseccantly
>>> run after people in this lounge to _expose_ them is
>>> the fact that you're trying to make all those years
>>> meaningful in your own mind.
>>
>> I fully confess to being of rather strong opinion that one should know
>> something about a subject before talking about it, even on an informal
>> forum like this one. You, I take it, have a more relaxed and laissez
>> faire attitude about that, thinking that this group should be a safe
>> place for people to "think aloud" about physics for fun, even if they
>> are coming from a place of deep ignorance. OK, so we have different
>> opinions on that subject. I've always felt this way.
>>
>
> You are right about me, I think someone from a place
> of "deep ignorance" is as good a participant in this
> lounge as is someone from any other place. The bad and
> good here is not about knowledge of physics, it is
> about whether you are disturbing others or not.
> Persistent disturbing of others here will one day
> place you where hanson is today, no matter what his or
> your knowledge of physics is.

Well, let's just agree to disagree. Online social clubs for the sake of 
fun chatting exist on facebook or twitter or whatever. And there, the 
intent is being civil and mannered and social, and there is no 
expectation that you have any knowledge about any particular subject of 
conversation, because there is no charter about what the conversations 
are going to be about. But this is a group about physics, not about 
gardening or woodworking or Greek statuary or the death penalty. I have 
no expectations that anyone on this group will know anything about 
woodworking. Since there is a common theme of interest for sci.physics, 
then in my opinion, there is also some expectation of familiarity, the 
same way that those who would be part of a woodworking club could be 
expected to know what a lathe is and to know the differences between 
pine and walnut wood.

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>             -Black American female intending to say
>               "Walnut Hill"
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  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-26 12:27 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:18 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 09:55 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-05-31 22:32 -0700
  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 13:26 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:55 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:01 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-05-31 22:25 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 03:00 -0400
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:33 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:14 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:36 -0500
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 12:13 -0500
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:04 -0500
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 15:10 -0500
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 16:46 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 18:37 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:08 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 00:07 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:38 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 12:22 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 13:34 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 22:52 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:11 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 12:07 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:20 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 13:04 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:19 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:31 -0700
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                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 20:22 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 12:11 -0700
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 20:58 -0500
  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:17 -0700
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 09:52 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 11:14 -0700
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:13 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:45 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:39 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:30 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 09:40 -0700
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            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:01 -0700
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:29 -0700
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-21 10:56 -0500
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        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 10:50 -0700
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