Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces

From	Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
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Subject	Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces
Date	2016-06-03 20:58 -0500
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On 6/3/2016 2:11 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 11:38:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/2/2016 12:07 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>> So was your physics education useful for your job?
>>>>>
>>> Indirectly yes of course. It made me a detail oriented
>>> person and made any job I had easier and quality of my
>>> work higher. But I stayed very humble about it no
>>> matter where I was and what I did. I could do that
>>> because I did not have a PhD, so nobody gave a damn
>>> about my physics background :-)

>> And my education was similarly useful for my vocation.
>>
>> As for PhDs, I know a few who are working outside the realm of their
>> doctoral work. From what I understand, PhDs are often recognized for
>> being self-driven, able to quickly come up to speed on subjects they
>> aren't familiar with, highly analytical problem-solvers, good at
>> collaboration and communication, and having a number of ancillary skills
>> that can be applied broadly -- all traits that are prized in the
>> marketplace.

> Maybe that's true, but my experience of PhD's is different.
> (Maybe because the PhD's I worked with are working in their field.)
>
> I have found them:
> * unwilling to do "grunt" work, basically to get dirty.
> * unwilling to listen to suggestions from those with less education
> * and then presenting those suggestions later as their own
> * when they disagree but have no useful argument, will tend
>      to reply with "you don't understand"
> * focusing on high tech solutions to side problems
>      (e.g. building automated test systems) without
>      moving toward the goal (building a widget that works).

agree with most of that, and I think that 1/2 of all the PhDs in Physics 
are crazy/nuts/lala  and the other 1/2 are brillient

I also worked for 2 startups started up by PhDs (they were brillient, 
focused, had great customer skills, and well connected. PhD in EE, and 
Software.   Both companies tanked after about 5 years, mostly due to 
changing market - external causes.

>
> I have met exceptions like the ones you describe (PhD's outside
> their primary field) and they are more humble.
>
> I have a BS Physics and Master Computer Engineering and my career
> has been primarily Software Engineering in a variety of environments.
>
> I have found the Physics training has proved very useful over
> the years.
>
> Last thought:
> in general I have a higher opinion of PhD's than I do of MBAs
>

agree with that, but MBAs tend to bring in more money/contracts, and the 
business degrees are very lousy at math, even their textbooks.
I have great respect for the PhDs that started the companies, they could 
do the very hard math too, Markov Chain etc...

but it is hard to generalize

checkout "Efficient Frontier" to see the *major sand* under the 
foundation of Wall Street.


> ed
>

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Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 10:17 -0700
  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-26 12:27 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:18 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 09:55 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-05-31 22:32 -0700
  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 13:26 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:55 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:01 -0500
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-05-31 22:25 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-01 03:00 -0400
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:33 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:14 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 09:36 -0500
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 12:13 -0500
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 14:04 -0500
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 15:10 -0500
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 16:46 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-01 18:37 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:08 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 00:07 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 10:38 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 12:22 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 13:34 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-02 22:52 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 07:11 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 12:07 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:20 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-03 13:04 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 13:19 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:31 -0700
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 12:24 -0700
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 20:22 -0500
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-06-03 12:11 -0700
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-03 20:58 -0500
  Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 16:17 -0700
    Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 09:52 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-27 11:14 -0700
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:13 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:45 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:39 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:30 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 09:40 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 09:44 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:18 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:01 -0700
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:29 -0700
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-21 10:56 -0500
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-28 07:27 -0500
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 10:50 -0700
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 10:31 -0700
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:06 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 18:18 -0700
            Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-21 10:57 -0500
              Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-06-21 10:58 -0700
                Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-21 13:15 -0500
      Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 09:51 -0700
        Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 20:04 -0700
          Re: A lot of mud on a lot of faces James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 09:35 -0700

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