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Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?

From Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?
Date 2016-03-24 07:29 +0200
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Thanks!

On 24/03/2016 01:19, Brad Eckert wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:17:01 PM UTC-7, Ron Aaron wrote:
>> My question: what is the best way to teach people with disparate
>> backgrounds how to program effectively in a Forth-type language?
>>
> 
> Change the perception of what a programming language is and what it should do. Forth is a language for building languages. You should end up with a Forth-flavored language that fits the application domain.
> 
> The lexicon of words you build is there to:
> 1. Minimize information entropy, Shannon's famous H.
> 2. Debug the programmer.
> 3. Debug the program.
> 
> Experienced programmers have to develop new habits. Not only should you keep functions to less than a page, you should keep them to between 7 and 15 words. This isn't a strict rule, but it has been shown to work well. It goes well with:
> 
> A. Keep it simple.
> 
> B. Test as you go. This is the best way to debug the programmer, since programmers are notoriously buggy.
> 
> C. Crash early and crash often. Like B, but with the humility to actively look for flaws in your reasoning (by getting your hands dirty) instead of assuming you've already thought of the best approach and coded it with minimal bugs.
>

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Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 07:16 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-03 23:21 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 12:37 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 03:25 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:30 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 07:36 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:09 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:53 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 11:11 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:54 +0200
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:54 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 18:25 -0800
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-12 17:57 -0800
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:06 -0700
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0800
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-08 22:13 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-09 01:18 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 20:41 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-10 22:33 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-10 23:17 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:41 -0700
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-13 21:46 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:12 -0700
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-14 14:11 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 01:13 -0700
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                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 03:16 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-16 16:13 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:11 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:15 +0000
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 12:42 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:16 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:22 -0500
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:58 +0200
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-03-09 10:07 +1100
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? IanYellowley <iany99@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:57 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 15:07 -0800
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-05 11:22 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 15:10 -0800
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-06 00:05 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 17:06 -0800
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:58 -0500
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 11:10 -0700
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          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-06 09:28 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-06 13:45 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:59 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 19:47 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 16:19 -0700
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:29 +0200
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-24 04:44 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-24 12:47 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 10:19 -0700
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-25 00:54 +0000
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 19:24 -0700
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