Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?
Date	2016-03-05 13:59 -0500
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On 3/5/2016 11:54 AM, Ron Aaron wrote:
>
>
> On 04/03/2016 21:11, Julian Fondren wrote:
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>> Pedagogical techniques that I've never seen employed:
>>
>> 1. Here, have a bunch of variously broken programs.  Make them work.
>
> That one's just plain cruel...

I don't agree.  Coding is taught to avoid mistakes, but they happen 
anyway.  Debugging is not really taught to programmers, they have to 
learn it by themselves.  In school that was the hardest part of 
programming.  It was not until I was in the field that I learned how to 
debug.  Why not teach debugging techniques as well as give debugging 
exercises?  In this case the lesson would be to learn the ways bad 
coding causes mistakes and is hard to debug.

>> 2. Here, have a bunch of the same program; they all do the same
>> thing and they are all functional - they aren't buggy; they really
>> do what they're supposed to do.  One of them is written well and the
>> rest are written in variously defective ways.  Now take this list of
>> feature requests and fulfill them for each variation of this
>> program.
>
> That's interesting...
>
>>
>> Rather than say "you should use short definitions", you can show how
>> much easier it is to troubleshoot and modify a program composed of
>> short definitions.
>
> Yes. I can see that working, thanks.

I think these are all good ideas.

-- 

Rick

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Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 07:16 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-03 23:21 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 12:37 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 03:25 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:30 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 07:36 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:09 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:53 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 11:11 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:54 +0200
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 13:59 -0500
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-06 00:56 +0000
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 17:16 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:54 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 18:25 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-09 18:26 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-10 23:09 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 03:39 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-12 17:57 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 08:25 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 11:30 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:06 -0700
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0800
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 19:39 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-08 22:13 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-09 01:18 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 20:41 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-10 22:33 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-10 23:17 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:41 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 17:26 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-13 21:46 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:12 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-14 17:45 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-14 14:11 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 01:13 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:55 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 03:16 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-16 16:13 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:11 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:15 +0000
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 12:42 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:16 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:22 -0500
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:58 +0200
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-03-09 10:07 +1100
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? IanYellowley <iany99@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:57 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 15:07 -0800
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-05 11:22 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 15:10 -0800
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-06 00:05 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 17:06 -0800
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:58 -0500
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 11:10 -0700
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 15:23 -0800
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-06 09:28 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-06 13:45 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:59 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 19:47 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 16:19 -0700
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:29 +0200
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-24 04:44 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-24 12:47 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 10:19 -0700
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-25 00:54 +0000
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 19:24 -0700
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-25 11:38 +0000
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-25 12:42 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 09:07 -0400
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 07:54 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-25 14:29 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-25 21:17 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-26 00:43 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-26 12:06 +0000

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