Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?

From	Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths?
Date	2016-03-04 14:30 +0200
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Hi -

On 04/03/2016 13:25, november.nihal@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Ron,
> 
> For me, I found "making up" small examples and trying to solve them helped me immensely. Something along the lines of Project Euler but more simpler.

Yes, I agree with that.

> What I realised was :  
>  - that you must write something rather than nothing.  
>  - dont give up because it doesnt work
>  - read other peoples code 

And with that :)

> I am surprised that the second group failed because if they were long term users it indicates that have some aptitude to programming and concepts. 

Yes, but the problem seems to be that long-term C-ish programmers really
think in C concepts.  They want to put everything in variables (rather
than leveraging the stack), they want to write long words (instead of
short phrases).  So you end up with code that is very hard to debug, and
they get (understandably) frustrated.

This, even though 8th has a ton of sample code and a very good manual
and a helpful forum.

I'm actually rewriting the tutorial now, with a very strong emphasis on
the proper Forthly-approach to coding.

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Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 07:16 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-03 23:21 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 12:37 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 03:25 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:30 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? november.nihal@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 07:36 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:09 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:53 +0200
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 11:11 -0800
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:54 +0200
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 13:59 -0500
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-06 00:56 +0000
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 17:16 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:54 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 18:25 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-09 18:26 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-10 23:09 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 03:39 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-12 17:57 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 08:25 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 11:30 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:06 -0700
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-07 16:28 -0800
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 19:39 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-08 22:13 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-09 01:18 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 20:41 -0500
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-10 22:33 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-10 23:17 -0800
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 14:41 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 17:26 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-13 21:46 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:12 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-14 17:45 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-03-14 14:11 -1000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 01:13 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 08:55 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 03:16 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-16 16:13 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:11 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-26 22:15 +0000
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 12:42 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-04 19:16 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:22 -0500
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:58 +0200
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-03-09 10:07 +1100
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? IanYellowley <iany99@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 13:57 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-04 15:07 -0800
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-05 11:22 +0000
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 15:10 -0800
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-06 00:05 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 17:06 -0800
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 20:58 -0500
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-14 11:10 -0700
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-05 15:23 -0800
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-06 09:28 +0000
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-03-06 13:45 -0800
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 18:59 +0200
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Whammo <sidciavic@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 19:47 -0800
  Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 16:19 -0700
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 07:29 +0200
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-03-24 04:44 -0500
    Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-24 12:47 +0000
      Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 10:19 -0700
        Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-25 00:54 +0000
          Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 19:24 -0700
            Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-25 11:38 +0000
              Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-25 12:42 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 09:07 -0400
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 07:54 -0700
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-25 14:29 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-25 21:17 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-26 00:43 +0000
                Re: Best teaching methodology for Forths? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-26 12:06 +0000

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