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Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein
Date 2016-01-11 20:33 -0600
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On 1/11/2016 7:42 PM, benj wrote:
> On 01/11/2016 05:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 1/11/2016 4:15 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2016 03:49 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/2016 12:03 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 3:39:53 PM UTC+8, Poutnik wrote:
>>>>>> Dne 11/01/2016 v 08:25 Peter Riedt napsal(a):
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 2:35:41 PM UTC+8, Poutnik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Einstein spoke in Leyden in defence of Lorentz's aether, not in
>>>>>>> defence of your space-time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Experiments spoke againts aether, not for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Which experiments disproved the aether? None. All claims are the same
>>>>> as that of a man who went
>>>>> into the desert looking for gold. When he didn't find any he said:
>>>>> "Gold doesn't exist".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter, the scientific thing to do is to ask, what measurable effect
>>>> would be the indicator of the existence of an ether?
>>>
>>> That's easy Boinker. The propagation of waves.
>>
>> According to what definition of waves? Where is the definition of wave
>> behavior that says that seeing waves implies the presence of a medium?
>>
>>>
>>>> Then you go look for that effect. If an aether theory predicts that you
>>>> will see so-and-so happening under this-or-that circumstance, and then
>>>> you go look for that happening under those circumstances, and you don't
>>>> see it, then that's considered evidence against your supposition of the
>>>> aether.
>>>
>>> Is there wave propagation in "empty" space? Come on Boinker even you can
>>> answer that one... oh what? I have to wait for you to answer your
>>> cellphone before you can answer? OK.
>>
>> Empty of what? Empty of matter? Yes, there is wave propagation in space
>> empty of matter.
>
> Empty of anything?

It's clearly not empty of fields. So empty space does not mean "empty of 
anything". And you say *I'm* the one that isn't thinking logically?

> No, there is no wave propagation in "nothing at all"
> That is insane nonsense.

But nobody says space is "nothing at all".

>
>>>> So go back to my original question above, and try to answer it.
>>>
>>> Ah, So since there is no wave propagation of any kind in empty space
>>> that means that there is no aether in space! Seems like an iron-clad
>>> proof to me. Odd, you da science man!
>
>
>


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 06:38 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:56 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0800
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 09:57 +0100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 00:24 -0500
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:13 -0800
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:18 -0500
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:19 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:14 -0500
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:52 -0800
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:35 -0600
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:56 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:28 -0600
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:50 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:23 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:40 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:12 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:24 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:08 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:25 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:22 -0500
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 00:34 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 08:58 -0500
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 01:10 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:27 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 02:27 -0800
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:36 -0600
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:51 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-10 09:25 +0100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 04:07 -0500
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 20:27 +1100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 16:21 -0800
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 21:23 -0800
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 07:35 +0100
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:25 -0800
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:39 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 03:42 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:21 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:18 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:26 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:34 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:43 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:24 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 11:41 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:02 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:21 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:46 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:05 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:40 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 16:26 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:47 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 09:30 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:51 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:46 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:38 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:28 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:49 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:50 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:17 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:39 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 16:56 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:11 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:31 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:52 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:36 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 10:14 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:36 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:13 -0500
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:19 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:53 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:19 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 17:46 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 09:06 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:27 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:13 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:17 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:16 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:18 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:59 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:21 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:26 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:28 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:43 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:38 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 12:11 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 16:15 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:29 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:31 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2016-01-11 21:56 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:36 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:24 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:51 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:49 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 16:19 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:42 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:33 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:06 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:45 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 00:52 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:09 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-14 16:14 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-15 15:49 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 18:43 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 10:13 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 15:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:43 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 00:11 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 12:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 15:16 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:25 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 18:21 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:15 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 12:36 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 16:34 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 17:44 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 08:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:28 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:39 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 +0100
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:30 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600

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