Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein
Date	2016-01-12 09:06 -0600
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On 1/11/2016 9:18 PM, benj wrote:
> On 01/11/2016 09:33 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 1/11/2016 7:42 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2016 05:19 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/2016 4:15 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2016 03:49 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/11/2016 12:03 PM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 3:39:53 PM UTC+8, Poutnik wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dne 11/01/2016 v 08:25 Peter Riedt napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 2:35:41 PM UTC+8, Poutnik wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Einstein spoke in Leyden in defence of Lorentz's aether, not in
>>>>>>>>> defence of your space-time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experiments spoke againts aether, not for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which experiments disproved the aether? None. All claims are the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> as that of a man who went
>>>>>>> into the desert looking for gold. When he didn't find any he said:
>>>>>>> "Gold doesn't exist".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, the scientific thing to do is to ask, what measurable effect
>>>>>> would be the indicator of the existence of an ether?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's easy Boinker. The propagation of waves.
>>>>
>>>> According to what definition of waves? Where is the definition of wave
>>>> behavior that says that seeing waves implies the presence of a medium?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you go look for that effect. If an aether theory predicts that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> will see so-and-so happening under this-or-that circumstance, and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> you go look for that happening under those circumstances, and you
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> see it, then that's considered evidence against your supposition of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> aether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there wave propagation in "empty" space? Come on Boinker even you
>>>>> can
>>>>> answer that one... oh what? I have to wait for you to answer your
>>>>> cellphone before you can answer? OK.
>>>>
>>>> Empty of what? Empty of matter? Yes, there is wave propagation in space
>>>> empty of matter.
>>>
>>> Empty of anything?
>>
>> It's clearly not empty of fields. So empty space does not mean "empty of
>> anything". And you say *I'm* the one that isn't thinking logically?
>>
>>> No, there is no wave propagation in "nothing at all"
>>> That is insane nonsense.
>>
>> But nobody says space is "nothing at all".
>
> Ah, so that means if it is "something" we can give it a name! I got it!
> Let's use the name "aether" for historical reasons! OK?

Or what physicists call it. Space.

But if you want to be different, go for it.

If YOU want to define for your own personal purposes "space" to mean 
"nothing at all", then you can do that too. While you're at it, you can 
define "chair" to mean "any piece of furniture that you can set a beer 
on". Pretty soon you'll have your own language.

>
>>>>>> So go back to my original question above, and try to answer it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, So since there is no wave propagation of any kind in empty space
>>>>> that means that there is no aether in space! Seems like an iron-clad
>>>>> proof to me. Odd, you da science man!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 06:38 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:56 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein omnilobe@gmail.com - 2016-01-09 11:55 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0800
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 09:57 +0100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 00:24 -0500
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:13 -0800
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:18 -0500
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:19 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:14 -0500
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:52 -0800
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:35 -0600
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:56 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:28 -0600
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:50 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:23 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:40 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:12 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:24 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:08 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:25 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 02:22 -0500
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 00:34 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 08:58 -0500
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 01:10 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:27 -0600
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 02:27 -0800
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:36 -0600
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:51 -0800
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-10 09:25 +0100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 04:07 -0500
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 20:27 +1100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 16:21 -0800
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 21:23 -0800
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 07:35 +0100
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:25 -0800
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:39 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 03:42 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:21 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:18 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:26 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:34 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:43 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:24 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 11:41 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:02 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:21 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:46 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:05 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:40 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 16:26 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:47 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 09:30 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:51 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:46 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:38 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:28 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:49 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:50 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:17 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:39 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 16:56 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:11 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:31 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:52 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:36 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:10 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 10:14 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:36 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:13 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:14 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:19 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:53 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:19 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 17:46 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 09:06 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:27 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:13 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:17 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:16 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:18 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:59 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:21 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:26 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:28 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:43 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:38 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 12:11 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 16:15 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:29 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:31 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2016-01-11 21:56 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:03 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 11:36 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:24 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:51 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:49 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 16:19 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:42 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:33 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:06 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:45 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 00:52 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:09 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-14 16:14 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-15 15:49 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 18:43 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 10:13 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 15:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:43 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 00:11 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 12:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 15:16 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:25 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 18:21 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:15 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 12:36 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 16:34 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 17:44 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 08:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:28 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:39 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 +0100
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:30 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600

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