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Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein
Date 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100
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On 11/01/2016 11:21 AM, Peter Riedt wrote:
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 5:27:35 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 10/01/2016 1:38 AM, Peter Riedt wrote:
>>> The Aether, Michelson and Einstein
>>>
>>> The aether has been described by various scientists in different
>>> forms and with differing attributes (Poincaré, Maxwell, Boyle,
>>> Huygens, Young, Fresnel, Cauchy, Fizeau, Larmor, Faraday,
>>> Fitzgerald, Kelvin, Hertz, Lorentz, Tesla, Lord Raleigh, Dirac,
>>> Stokes and others). The aether was disowned only by Michelson
>>> after his failure to experimentally prove it because he applied
>>> an incorrect logic in his interferometer experiment and did not
>>> want to admit his error.
>>>
>>> Michelson incorrectly assumed the light path on the perpendicular
>>> arm (AB) of the interferometer traversed an isosceles triangle
>>> but the light path is a right angle triangle. In the correct
>>> logic of the experiment a light ray leaves the beam splitter A at
>>> a right angle, impacts at the mirror B and leaves it at a small
>>> acute angle towards C on the parallel arm. In the meantime the
>>> split ray moves from A to D and back to C where it meets the ray
>>> coming from B without interference because distance ABC equals
>>> distance ADC. The Proof:
>>> 2D(1+vv/cc)-(D+sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2)) = 0
>>>
>>> B ^\ ^ \             The perpendicular and parallel arm ^  \
>>> light paths of the MMX interferometer ^   \ ^    \ ^     \ ^
>>> \ ^       \ ^        \ ^         \
>>> A>---------\-------------------------------->D
>>> C<------------------------------<D
>>>
>>> ADC  = 2D(1+vv/cc) = 22.00000022m (according to Michelson) ABC  =
>>> D+sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2) = 11m + 11.00000022m =
>>> 22.00000022m (according to Riedt)              AB   = D = 11m AC
>>> = (2D(1+vv/cc)) = 0.0000000733333340666667sec AC   =
>>> ((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v = 0.002200000022m BC   =
>>> sqrt(D^2+(((2D(1+vv/cc))/c)*v)^2) = 11.00000022m
>>>
>>> D=11m, c=300000000m/sec, c=30000m/sec
>>>
>>> Albert Einstein is thought to have himself also distanced from
>>> the aether. However in an address on 5 May 1920 at the University
>>> of Leiden he lectured on the topic 'Ether and the Theory of
>>> Relativity'. The lecture was published by Methuen & Co. Ltd,
>>> London, in 1922. At the end of the lecture he said:
>>>
>>> "Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory
>>> of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this
>>> sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general
>>> theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in
>>> such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but
>>> also no possibility of existence for standards of space and
>>> time".
>>>
>>> Peter Riedt
>>>
>> A rose by any other name is still a rose.
>>
>> And vice versa.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Does it mean you agree with me?
>

No. From your quotes it appears Einstein was using the word with a 
different meaning.

Sylvia.

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The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 06:38 -0800
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  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-09 16:59 -0800
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    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-11 00:24 -0500
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 23:13 -0800
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:18 -0500
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          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:56 -0800
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:28 -0600
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:25 -0600
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    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:36 -0600
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  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-10 09:25 +0100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 04:07 -0500
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-10 20:27 +1100
    Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 16:21 -0800
      Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-11 11:35 +1100
        Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-10 21:23 -0800
          Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 07:35 +0100
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:08 -0500
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:21 -0800
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:47 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 09:30 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:51 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 03:46 -0800
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:17 -0500
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 10:14 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 08:36 -0800
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:53 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:19 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:58 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 17:46 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 09:06 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:27 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:13 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:22 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:18 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 11:59 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:21 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:26 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:28 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 07:43 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 14:38 -0500
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-19 16:15 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:29 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 23:31 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2016-01-11 21:56 -0800
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                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-12 10:24 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:51 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:49 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 16:19 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:42 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:33 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:06 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:18 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:45 +0100
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 00:52 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-14 18:09 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-14 16:14 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:03 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-15 15:49 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 18:43 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 10:13 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-16 15:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:27 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:33 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:43 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 00:11 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 12:15 -0500
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 15:16 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:25 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-17 18:21 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:15 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 12:36 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 16:34 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-18 17:44 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 08:03 -0800
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 09:28 -0600
                Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-01-17 02:39 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 +0100
            Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 02:30 -0500
              Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600
  Re: The Aether, Michelson and Einstein Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:23 -0600

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