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Re: Twins and the universe

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Twins and the universe
Date 2015-11-20 11:32 -0600
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On 11/20/2015 8:38 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:47:00 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>>>>>>> 2. You claimed that a second  is a universal interval of time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I did not. I never said that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you did.....you claimed that the speed of light, as defined by a clock second, is a universal constant.
>>>>> This means that a clock second is a universal intrval of time.
>>>>
>>>> No, it does not mean that. As pointed out before MANY TIMES, the speed
>>>> of light is a RATIO of distance and time. The time can change and the
>>>> ratio can stay the same, because the distance also changes. This is like
>>>> the ratio 6/3 is the same as the ratio 4/2, even though 6 is not the
>>>> same as 4 and 3 is not the same as 2.
>>>
>>> No physical evidence of physical length change
>>
>> Oh but there is.
>>
>>> (meter stick return the same length after a journey)
>>
>> One does not EXPECT in relativity for the length of the stick to remain
>> shortened after it comes to rest.
>
> This means that length contraction is not real.

Assertion is not a valid argument. It is not necessary for contraction 
to persist when the motion stops for it to be considered real.

Even in ordinary life, your assertion doesn't hold. If I have a spring 
and I give it a push to get it moving, it will compress. You can watch 
it do that. When I let it stop, it will return to original length. So 
are you going to say that the compression you actually WATCHED is not real?

>..it is invented by physicists to maintain the constant speed of light. A clock return
> after journey will accumulate less clock seconds....this means that moving clock will
> accumulate clock seconds at a slower rate. The combination of imaginary length contraction
> and real clock slowing to give constant light speed is absurd.
> IRT resolves this absurdity by sayng that there is no physical length contraction. Howerver
> the light-path length of a moving meter stick is predicted to be 1/gamma meters....this
> prediction is based on the assumption that the light-path length of the observer's mater
> stick is it material length.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 03:01 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:06 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 06:21 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 04:00 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 07:32 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 16:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 18:11 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 06:22 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 01:23 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 04:13 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 21:30 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 16:25 -0500
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 14:35 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Ted Striker <tedstrickdr@mailaccount.org> - 2015-11-12 22:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-13 05:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 20:49 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 05:02 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 10:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 11:10 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 12:11 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 19:58 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 21:09 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-15 22:25 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-15 22:37 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-16 05:45 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:19 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 21:11 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-15 23:29 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 23:40 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 00:22 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 04:46 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-16 22:36 -0600
                Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-16 23:25 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-17 18:51 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-18 06:42 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 05:32 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 13:11 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-19 22:33 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org> - 2015-11-19 21:47 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 14:21 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-20 04:41 +0100
                Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-19 22:36 +0000
                Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 04:54 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 16:18 -0800
                Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600

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