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Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane

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On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 3:09:36 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup
> dyskusyjnych:e6e3adf5-0c2c-40fa-ab36-c31e0b6b101c@googlegroups.com...
>
> > |Now you are simply lying. I said that this was incorrect from day one,
> >
> > Of course you did. But it was not the only thing you said.
> > Quoting:
> > > But when I will, you will yell, that it's inproper, won't you?
> > No, I said only that these coordinates were
> > End of quoting.
> > Exectly as I said.
>
> |You make exactly zero sense. I said from the beginning that these
>
> Of course you did. But it was never the only thing you said.

|Of course you snipped the link I provided:

If it was to confirm your "I said" it was irrelevant, as I agreed, that
you said.
Of course, you're to stupid to notice.
And if it was not, what was it supposed to confirm?


> |Don't change the subject. It is simply an obvious statement: raw values
> |of man-made coordinates cannot be used to infer the occurrence of any
> |physical phenomenon.
>
> Obvious for a relativistic moron only.

|So you believe in magic. I won't comment on total nonsense any further.

Indians took gunpowder as magic, because they know nothing about.
I always told you you know nothing about models and modelling.
And you do.



> > Poor, poor idiot. Man made? In oposiion to your interval
> > shit, probably? Yes, it's not man-made. It's Great Guru-made.
> > Makes difference, doesn't it?
>
> |You must be under some drug influence. Don't post when your mind is
>

|Irrelevant. Skip the poetry.

Poor, poor idiot. Man made? In oposiion to your interval
shit, probably? Yes, it's not man-made. It's Great Guru-made.
Makes difference, doesn't it?

> > |You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?
> >
> > You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?
>
> |So you have no answer.
>
> Yes, I do have. You just can't notice it. Samely, as you can't
> notice my questions.
> As expected from a relativistic moron.

|So you have no answer.

Yes, I do have. You just can't notice it. Samely, as you can't
notice my questions.
As expected from a relativistic moron.


> > Well, in opposition to you, I do answer.
> > Simply.
>
> |Where is this answer then? How can a magic spell cause anything to
> |happen?
>
> We're not talking about magic spells. We're talking about
> words. As "happen" is a verb ("czasownik"), time ("czas")
> have some influence on it.
> Nothing a relativistic moron could understand, however.

|You are again talking in riddles and insults instead of simply stating
|what you mean. I though my claim was perfectly valid: if you label
|space and time by smooth but otherwise arbitrary numbers (4-tuples
|of numbers to be exact), you cannot infer from these values _alone_
|anything physical.

Can't I? Perhaps because only Gurus are able, eh?
Quoting:
OTOH time dilation is a function of choosing certain very
"nice" coordinates






> I'm just repeating it after your fellow idiot, that wrote it in
> your moronic relativistic wikipedy. I've told you at least
> five times.
> Five times are not enough for a relativistic moron.

|And I'm repeating for the fifth time that within GR this is incorrect.

Your fellow idiot, that wrote wikipedy, would probably not
agree.

> > |1. either assume GR is a good enough model and conclude the object
> > |will cross the horizon in its finite proper time,
> >
> > Who cares?
>
> |If you assume GR, you must care. This is the crux of the matter.
>
> No. I don't have to care. Well, GR states so, I've heard, what is
> so important about it?

|Nothing except we are discussing GR here.

Of course. So, what is your Ingenious Shit telling me about crossing
the horizon by an object in MY time and in MY reference frame?




> > As you said yourself, from my point of view it means
> > "object either crossed the horizon or not". And nothing
> > more.
> > Right?
>
> |Point is that it takes little more to throw away GR than posts saying
>
> I asked. RIGHT?
> No answer, just a moronic mumble. As usual.

|You didn't ask anything.


A lie, as expected from a relativistic moron.
So, I'm repeating:
you said yourself, from my point of view it means
"object either crossed the horizon or not". And nothing
more.
Right?

> > You mean - to simplify solving, that "object either
> > crossed the horizon or not"?
>
> |No, to solve the Einstein equation.
>
> WHAT FOR? To get information, that for me object either
> crossed the horizon or not?

|I've already stated several times what GR said in this situation.

So, what will I get from resolving Einstein equation? The
conclusion, that object either crossed the horizon or not?
I'm talking, as always, about MY point of view. Your
imagination-created observer falling into BH doesn't
interest me at all.

> Because "time" and "Zurich" are different terms and the
> conventions related to them heve different construction,
> different scale and different range.

|Unmitigated nonsense.

That time and Zurich are different terms?

|OK, so you simply believe in magic: attaching numbers
|of your choice to events makes phenomena occur or not.

You do believe the same, unfortunately. Quoting:
OTOH time dilation is a function
of choosing certain very "nice" coordinates

Of course, you're too stupid to understand, what you
believe. As expecting from a relativistic moron.

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