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Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane

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> |Now you are simply lying. I said that this was incorrect from day one,
>
> Of course you did. But it was not the only thing you said.
> Quoting:
> > But when I will, you will yell, that it's inproper, won't you?
> No, I said only that these coordinates were
> End of quoting.
> Exectly as I said.

|You make exactly zero sense. I said from the beginning that these

Of course you did. But it was never the only thing you said.


|Don't change the subject. It is simply an obvious statement: raw values
|of man-made coordinates cannot be used to infer the occurrence of any
|physical phenomenon.

Obvious for a relativistic moron only.

> Poor, poor idiot. Man made? In oposiion to your interval
> shit, probably? Yes, it's not man-made. It's Great Guru-made.
> Makes difference, doesn't it?

|You must be under some drug influence. Don't post when your mind is

Poor, poor idiot. Man made? In oposiion to your interval
shit, probably? Yes, it's not man-made. It's Great Guru-made.
Makes difference, doesn't it?


> |You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?
>
> You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?

|So you have no answer.

Yes, I do have. You just can't notice it. Samely, as you can't
notice my questions.
As expected from a relativistic moron.

> Well, in opposition to you, I do answer.
> Simply.

|Where is this answer then? How can a magic spell cause anything to
|happen?

We're not talking about magic spells. We're talking about
words. As "happen" is a verb ("czasownik"), time ("czas")
have some influence on it.
Nothing a relativistic moron could understand, however.


> > And your alternative? When and how - exactly - a distant
> > observer  (like us both) can decide "it happened, object just
> > crossed the  horizon"?
>
> |He cannot
>
> So, what is your problem to understand? He cannot
> detefrmine directly, whether it happened or not,

|FINALLY you admit it. It took only 2 1/12 years. Exactly right and in

Imagination, as expected from a relativistic morton.

> so, convention is free to make it for him.
> Even such a moron should understand it easily.

|NOW you are saying this. But before you were saying the falling object 
would
|not cross the horizon because its radial coordinate was such-and-such.

I'm just repeating it after your fellow idiot, that wrote it in
your moronic relativistic wikipedy. I've told you at least
five times.
Five times are not enough for a relativistic moron.


|If you assume GR, this is an incorrect claim.

Explain it to your fellow idiot, that assumed GR and wrote it.

> And, BTW, as you can't determine, whether the
> event "object crossed the horizon" happened or not,
> why are you so sure it happened?

|What I said was that in GR the falling object's proper time would record
|a finite time before crossing the horizon.

You said much, much more.


> |1. either assume GR is a good enough model and conclude the object
> |will cross the horizon in its finite proper time,
>
> Who cares?

|If you assume GR, you must care. This is the crux of the matter.

No. I don't have to care. Well, GR states so, I've heard, what is
so important about it?

> As you said yourself, from my point of view it means
> "object either crossed the horizon or not". And nothing
> more.
> Right?

|Point is that it takes little more to throw away GR than posts saying

I asked. RIGHT?
No answer, just a moronic mumble. As usual.

>
> You mean - to simplify solving, that "object either
> crossed the horizon or not"?

|No, to solve the Einstein equation.

WHAT FOR? To get information, that for me object either
crossed the horizon or not?

> Well, I can do such things
> without selecting any coordinates, would you believe?
>
> > No.
>
> |Well, same thing with coordinates.
>
> No, poor idiot. Not same.

|Why? In both cases you have a situation where a physical consequence is

Because "time" and "Zurich" are different terms and the
conventions related to them heve different construction,
different scale and different range.
Nothing a relativistic moron would know or could understand.
Or even would be interested in.

claimed based on a man-made label.

--
Jan 

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