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Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane

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Lleyton H. Bellucci wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Obnoxious liar.

> Il giorno Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:23:15 -0700  *_JanPB_* ha scritto:
>> The bottom line is that paths of free fall cross the horizon in finite
>> proper time. That the distant observer is able to gather this
>> information only after a delay is another matter.
> 
> What do yo mean by "finite proper time". You make it as time will stop,

“Finite” as opposed to “infinite”.  Meaning that you stop your stopwatch 
with which you measure the proper time it takes you to cross the event 
horizon, by pushing the start/stop button of the stopwatch *as you cross the 
horizon*¹ – as opposed to having to let your stopwatch run forever (when you 
would measure *coordinate* time as the distant observer²).

> which is absurd. You can't stop time. Time is not a speed.

Time is a *coordinate* and a *distance* in relativity where you formulate 
physics in terms of four-vectors in a 3+1-dimensional spacetime, (x⃗, t) or 
(t, x⃗) – notice the arrow above the “x”, indicating a three-vector for the 
position.

If you are not familiar with basic terms of relativity such as “time”, 
“finite time” and “proper time”, but are subscribed to a newsgroup whose 
name ends in “.relativity”, I strongly suggest you be silent and get 
yourself informed about it by reading introductory material.

As for stopping, if your purpose here would be to learn, instad of to troll, 
you would be well-advised to *stop* concealing your ignorance by changing 
pseudonyms.


PointedEars
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¹  This is a theoretical argument.  In practice, using eyesight only,
   the free-faller will have difficulty telling that they passed
   the event horizon.  See also <http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/>

²  While the distant observer never can observe the free-faller actually
   cross the event horizon (observing their coordinates change to a point
   beyond the horizon) – it would take the information of this to travel
   faster than c – there comes a point when the distant observer must
   *assume* that the free-faller has crossed the horizon: the free-faller’s
   signal is increasingly redshifted as they approach the horizon, and there
   comes a point where the redshift is that large that the distant observer
   can no longer measure any signal; firstly due to the limited precision of
   their receiver, and finally due to the uncertainty relation, that makes
   it impossible to distinguish the free-faller’s signal from static.

   But it is important to note that the assumption would be wrong: even at
   that coordinate time the free faller still *actually* has _not_ crossed
   the horizon – they cross the horizon in *infinite* *coordinate* time in
   the frame of reference of the distant observer, or IOW they *never*
   *actually* *definitely* cross it as far as the distant observer, as a
   mortal being, is concerned.
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 20:23 -0700
  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:39 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-02 23:19 -0700
  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:23 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-04 03:57 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:48 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-05 15:03 +0200
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 11:21 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 12:19 +0200
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:18 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 21:29 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 13:25 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-08 22:55 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 15:03 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-09 20:18 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 11:50 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-09 22:35 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 14:59 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-10 12:09 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 03:42 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-11 08:53 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 13:04 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:03 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-15 07:07 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:34 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-15 03:25 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 23:59 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 00:12 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-09-15 03:58 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:43 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 00:55 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Jimmie Wynne <jimmwyn@metermap.org> - 2015-09-19 15:04 +0000
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 22:38 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:15 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:23 -0700
  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:26 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-04 22:00 +0000
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 16:02 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 11:01 +0000
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 15:30 +0200
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:38 +0000
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 15:42 +0200
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:54 +0000
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 13:52 +0000
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-05 02:08 +0200
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 10:51 +0000
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 11:03 +0000
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 11:20 -0400
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "Lleyton H. Bellucci" <lleyb@stratospheree.org> - 2015-09-05 15:40 +0000
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-09-05 13:14 -0400

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