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Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane

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On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > |No, I said only that these coordinates were man-made conventions that
> >
> > A lie, quoting:
> > No, this is incorrect.
> > End of quoting.
>
> |That's too generic to be of any value. I use the word "the" a lot too.
> |And the claim the object doesn't cross the horizon is incorrect, yes.
>
> Reasuming: you never said it is incorrect, burt yes, it is incorrect.

|Now you are simply lying. I said that this was incorrect from day one,

Of course you did. But it was not the only thing you said.
Quoting:
> But when I will, you will yell, that it's inproper, won't you?
No, I said only that these coordinates were
End of quoting.
Exectly as I said.


> |No, the key issue here is that you use the _raw data_ (namely, literal
> |coordinate values) as indicative of a physical property.
>
> What is your alternative, then?

|Certain physical quantities are designated as representing physical
|phenomena. Use those.

"Physical phenomena". Poor idiot. Not so long ago I asked
you, how you measure your interval shit. And you couldn't.
It's not any "physical phenomena" It's just moronic imagination
of a bunch of brainwashed morons.

|are not so designated (obviously they cannot be as they are man-made).

Poor, poor idiot. Man made? In oposiion to your interval
shit, probably? Yes, it's not man-made. It's Great Guru-made.
Makes difference, doesn't it?


> > |How does a man-made bookkeeping convention able to imply such thing?
> >
> > Simply.
> > And how can your Ingenious Shit imply time is relative?
>
> |That's not answering my question.
>
> And that's not answering mine.

|You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?

You are still not answering my question. Are we feeling cornered?

|How does a man-made bookkeeping convention able to imply whether
|an event labelled by them took place or not?

Well, in opposition to you, I do answer.
Simply.

> And your alternative? When and how - exactly - a distant
> observer  (like us both) can decide "it happened, object just
> crossed the  horizon"?

|He cannot

So, what is your problem to understand? He cannot
detefrmine directly, whether it happened or not,
so, convention is free to make it for him.
Even such a moron should understand it easily.

And, BTW, as you can't determine, whether the
event "object crossed the horizon" happened or not,
why are you so sure it happened?

|1. either assume GR is a good enough model and conclude the object
|will cross the horizon in its finite proper time,

Who cares?
As you said yourself, from my point of view it means
"object either crossed the horizon or not". And nothing
more.
Right?



> |And why did you select that particular bookkeeping convention anyway?
> |Why not Eddington-Finkelstein?
>
> Because it's more idiotic. Thus, more comfortable to me and
> my goals.

|What's so "idiotic" about selecting coordinates in order to simplify
|solving some system of PDEs? Ever took a math class?

You mean - to simplify solving, that "object either
crossed the horizon or not"? Well, I can do such things
without selecting any coordinates, would you believe?

> No.

|Well, same thing with coordinates.

No, poor idiot. Not same.
Do you remember, how is "verb" in Polish? It
surely isn't "zurychownik".

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  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:23 -0700
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        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-09-05 15:03 +0200
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