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| From | Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> |
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| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Enigma, mal wieder (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) |
| Date | 2025-06-21 15:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mbnpvvFjptmU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <1033kke$12oit$1@solani.org> <5965a7da9ef58c05758e7a16cf2e88a0@dizum.com> <10349g6$5hch$1@dont-email.me> <546bf25d-187e-4995-b1ae-3c7cba2a032f@news.goetz.co.uk> <1034duk$5hci$4@dont-email.me> |
Hallo, Am 20.06.25 um 21:48 schrieb Lars Gebauer: > Am 20.06.2025 um 21:12 schrieb Goetz Schultz: >> On 20/06/2025 19:32, Lars Gebauer wrote: >>> "Man" ist halt ein Trottel. Seinerzeit gab es in der Wehrmacht 2 >>> Fraktionen: Die eine ging davon aus, daß die Enigma die Sicherheit >>> der Kommunikation gewährleistet. Die andere Fraktion ging davon aus, >>> daß die Erfolge der Alliierten nur durch einen erfolgreichen Einbruch >>> in die deutsche Kommunikation möglich waren. >>> >>> Die "Enigma ist sicher"-Fraktion setzte sich letztlich durch. Mit >>> bekanntem Ergebnis. >> >> Die Enigma gilt/galt auch sicher. Nur durch Faulheit und Dekadenz >> konnte man sie knacken (bekannter Klartext) > > Nein, es gab systematische Schwächen, die schon von den Polen erkannt > und ausgenutzt wurden. Bedienerfehler (und ein paar glückliche Umstände) > spielten den Briten zusätzlich in die Hände, waren aber nicht > ausschlaggebend. Ha! In Berlin gibt es ein *Deutsches Spionagemuseum* "Rückblick: Der Enigma-Code – Wie Alan Turing die Nazis schlug" D-Day: "...Einen der größten Erfolge feierte man mit dieser Prozedur am 6. Juni 1944, an dem Tag der Landung der Alliierten in der Normandie (D-Day). In verschlüsselten Nachrichten der deutschen Seite, hinter denen man Wetterberichte vermutete, suchte man nach der Formulierung „WETTERVORHERSAGEBISKAYA“, fand entsprechende Muster und konnte daraus die Einstellungen der Enigma ableiten. Somit waren die Briten in der Lage, an diesem für den Kriegsverlauf entscheidenden Tag sämtliche Funksprüche der Deutschen zu entschlüsseln." <https://www.deutsches-spionagemuseum.de/2017/12/07/der-enigma-code-wie-alan-turing-die-nazis-schlug> Ciao Walter
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Enigma, mal wieder (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 15:22 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-21 15:54 +0200
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