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| From | Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? |
| Date | 2025-06-20 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10348ug$13519$1@solani.org> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <a63b61b12bf307bed8c8854f91d2a726@dizum.com> <102vc5q.7mc.1@privat.lahls.de> <1ccf43dfb6965b71499d644b14afd035@dizum.com> <1033kke$12oit$1@solani.org> <10348kb$5hci$1@dont-email.me> |
Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> wrote: > Am 20.06.2025 um 14:36 schrieb Dr. Joachim Neudert: >> Am 20.06.25 um 14:23 schrieb Nomen Nescio: >>> Besser schlechtes Werkzeug als gar keines. >> >> Bei Verschlüsselung? Nein, genau da nicht. Frag nach bei den >> Geheimdiensten in WW1/WW2. > > Puh! Kannst Du beweisen, daß gegenwärtige Verschlüsselungen wie bspw. > AES sicher sind? > > Nein, kannst Du nicht. Du kannst nur darauf vertrauen, daß AES sicher > ist. Damit steckst Du in genau der gleichen Klemme, wie seinerzeit die > Wehrmacht. > > AES /gilt/ als sicher, weil kein erfolgreicher Angriff öffentlich > bekannt ist. Das ist zwar schön hat aber, bei Licht betrachtet, auch > nicht so besonders viel zu sagen. > > Afaik beschäftigt die NSA eine ganze Reihe exzellenter Mathematiker. > Was, wenn die einen praktikablen Angriff gefunden haben, diesen aber aus > Gründen der nationalen Sicherheit streng geheim halten? > > Wie lange haben die Briten ihr Ultra-Geheimnis bewahrt? > > Am Krypto-Dilemma hat sich seit dem 2. WK nichts geändert. Damals wie > heute beruht es ausschließlich auf Vertrauen - und ich fürchte, daran > wird sich auch nichts ändern. > > (Und jetzt komme bloß keiner mit OTP. Auch da gibt es genug, was falsch > gemacht werden kann.) Irgendein Algorithmus wurde doch bewusst von der NSA geschwächt in Umlauf gebracht… Aber zur Ausgangssituation zurück: es wäre besser gewesen, gar keine Nachrichten zu schicken als Nachrichten, die geknackt werden konnten. Die taktischen und strategischen Nachteile waren enorm. -- please forgive my iPhone typos
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Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-13 15:27 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Friedrich Karl Siebert <f.k.siebert@online.de> - 2025-06-13 15:48 +0200
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Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-14 17:18 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Andreas Bockelmann <xotzil@gmx.de> - 2025-06-14 17:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-15 11:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-15 12:03 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-15 19:53 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 01:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 08:20 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 09:30 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 11:52 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 11:26 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 12:54 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 15:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 17:51 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-18 16:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-18 18:18 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-19 02:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-19 09:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-19 10:16 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-19 11:25 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2025-06-19 13:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-19 13:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-19 22:40 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2025-06-19 13:38 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-19 13:41 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 11:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-16 11:32 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-16 13:16 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 17:44 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-20 18:02 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:05 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 18:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:03 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-16 13:58 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-16 22:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-17 14:25 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-17 16:27 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-18 21:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2025-06-18 21:47 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 14:23 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 14:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-20 19:09 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 20:12 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-20 22:46 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 23:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 10:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-21 09:47 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 12:10 +0200
Enigma, mal wieder (was:Re: EU: public DNS resolvers?) Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 15:22 +0200
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Re: Enigma, mal wieder Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 16:15 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 16:55 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2025-06-21 17:00 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-21 17:52 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-21 20:39 +0200
Re: Enigma, mal wieder Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-21 20:57 +0200
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Re: Enigma, mal wieder Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:18 +0200
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Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-21 19:18 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:17 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-20 18:23 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 19:31 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-06-20 19:01 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:02 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Goetz Schultz <ng.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2025-06-20 20:17 +0100
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:41 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:20 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-21 15:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 20:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-20 21:00 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:12 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-20 21:29 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2025-06-20 21:52 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-21 08:23 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-21 18:50 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2025-06-21 18:56 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Gunter Kühne <kuehne-g@freenet.de> - 2025-06-21 19:09 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 08:22 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> - 2025-06-19 14:10 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 10:15 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-21 14:25 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 15:05 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-21 20:49 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-21 23:48 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 07:21 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2025-06-22 05:36 +0000
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:33 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 10:32 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 13:28 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-22 23:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-23 01:36 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-23 08:30 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-23 15:14 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Dietz Proepper <dietz.usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2025-06-23 23:18 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Walter Brill <WalterBrill@t-online.de> - 2025-06-24 14:39 +0200
Re: EU: public DNS resolvers? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2025-06-22 01:00 +0200
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