Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system?

From	Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system?
Followup-To	comp.os.linux.misc
Date	2014-08-29 05:14 +0200
Organization	A noiseless patient Strider
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On Friday 29 August 2014 04:46, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.misc...

> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:44:09 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> 
>> If you are planning to only use GNU/Linux for accessing that hard
>> drive, then why would you create an inferior and non-native
>> filesystem on it which doesn't even support UNIX/POSIX permissions
>> and ownerships?
>> 
>> Go with ext4.
> 
> Funny suggestion, having in mind that the latest Red Hat went with
> XFS.

A few remarks here...:

   1. XFS is brilliant.  I use and prefer it myself.  However, XFS
      is best when used with computers that are hooked up to a UPS,
      and on fixed-disk partitions - whether they be spinning rust
      or solid-state.  It's an aggressively caching filesystem.

   2. Most people aren't even aware that XFS exists, so I recommend
      what most people do know, which is ext4, given that it's an
      excellent filesystem.

   3. RedHat's recommendations are pretty worth nothing, really,
      because they also recommend systemd as an init replacement,
      PulseAudio, and GNOME with GDM as a desktop manager.

   4. Some distributions now default to btrfs, which is still rather
      experimental, and which is considered the new /Wunderkind/ of
      filesystems, offering the combination of filesystem and volume
      manager in one, similar to ZFS.

Given #3 and #4, I wouldn't pay too much attention to what a 
distribution chooses as the default for whatever.  Distributions - and 
especially RedHat - have their own agendas.

> I had a bad experience with e4defrag and consider it inferior to
> the XFS. [...]

There is no need to defrag a GNU/Linux-native filesystem, unless you've 
managed to fill it up almost completely.

As for whether ext4 is inferior to XFS, I don't know.  I personally 
prefer XFS - among other things because it's an industry standard - but 
I haven't had any bad experiences with ext4 yet either, and I wouldn't 
necessarily call ext4 "inferior".

Performance-wise, it all depends on what you want to do with it.  There 
are circumstances where XFS outperforms ext4, and other circumstances 
where the opposite is true.

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

Thread

External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Evgenii Sputnik <esputnik7788@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 13:35 -0400
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-07-31 19:44 +0200
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Evgenii Sputnik <esputnik7788@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 07:45 +0700
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-08-29 03:37 +0200
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-28 21:09 -0500
        Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-08-29 21:16 +0200
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 02:46 +0000
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-08-29 05:14 +0200
        Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-08-29 14:45 +0100
          Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 15:19 +0000
            Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2014-08-30 14:42 +0200
              Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-30 09:09 -0500
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2014-08-30 17:41 +0200
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-08-30 15:21 -0700
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 17:13 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-31 13:24 -0500
                Is VirtualBox "lame"? (Was: something else...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2014-08-31 20:23 +0000
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? (Was: something else...) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-31 15:51 -0500
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-31 23:58 +0000
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-31 21:54 -0500
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-01 07:54 +0100
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2014-09-01 08:53 +0200
                Re: Is VirtualBox "lame"? (Was: something else...) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-01 07:47 +0100
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 21:00 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-31 18:50 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 21:01 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-01 00:06 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2014-09-01 07:50 +0100
              Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 03:18 +0000
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-07-31 12:54 -0500
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2014-08-14 12:39 +0000
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-08-14 08:15 -0700
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-07-31 19:08 +0100
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-07-31 14:27 -0500
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-07-31 12:43 -0700

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