Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system?

From	William Poaster <wp@dev.null>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system?
Date	2014-08-29 14:45 +0100
Organization	Llareggub
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It was reported that Aragorn posted:

> On Friday 29 August 2014 04:46, Mladen Gogala conveyed the following to 
> comp.os.linux.misc...
>
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:44:09 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are planning to only use GNU/Linux for accessing that hard
>>> drive, then why would you create an inferior and non-native
>>> filesystem on it which doesn't even support UNIX/POSIX permissions
>>> and ownerships?
>>> 
>>> Go with ext4.
>> 
>> Funny suggestion, having in mind that the latest Red Hat went with
>> XFS.
>
> A few remarks here...:
>
>    1. XFS is brilliant.  I use and prefer it myself.  However, XFS
>       is best when used with computers that are hooked up to a UPS,
>       and on fixed-disk partitions - whether they be spinning rust
>       or solid-state.  It's an aggressively caching filesystem.
>
>    2. Most people aren't even aware that XFS exists, so I recommend
>       what most people do know, which is ext4, given that it's an
>       excellent filesystem.
>
>    3. RedHat's recommendations are pretty worth nothing, really,
>       because they also recommend systemd as an init replacement,
>       PulseAudio, and GNOME with GDM as a desktop manager.
>
>    4. Some distributions now default to btrfs, which is still rather
>       experimental, and which is considered the new /Wunderkind/ of
>       filesystems, offering the combination of filesystem and volume
>       manager in one, similar to ZFS.
>
> Given #3 and #4, I wouldn't pay too much attention to what a 
> distribution chooses as the default for whatever.  Distributions - and 
> especially RedHat - have their own agendas.
>
>> I had a bad experience with e4defrag and consider it inferior to
>> the XFS. [...]
>
> There is no need to defrag a GNU/Linux-native filesystem, unless you've 
> managed to fill it up almost completely.

Having used one version or another of GNU/Linux for 14+ years, I've never
had to defrag a drive. I've never even thought about it, except perhaps
when I was a n00b & first started using it.
Since its inception, I've always used ext4 without any problems. Before
that, I used Reiserfs & Reiser4 which I found a very good fs.

> As for whether ext4 is inferior to XFS, I don't know.  I personally 
> prefer XFS - among other things because it's an industry standard - but 
> I haven't had any bad experiences with ext4 yet either, and I wouldn't 
> necessarily call ext4 "inferior".
>
> Performance-wise, it all depends on what you want to do with it.  There 
> are circumstances where XFS outperforms ext4, and other circumstances 
> where the opposite is true.

I've never tried XFS, but I have tried btrfs. Although in its "infancy" I
find btrfs quite a reliable system.

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External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Evgenii Sputnik <esputnik7788@gmail.com> - 2014-07-31 13:35 -0400
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-07-31 19:44 +0200
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Evgenii Sputnik <esputnik7788@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 07:45 +0700
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-08-29 03:37 +0200
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-28 21:09 -0500
        Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2014-08-29 21:16 +0200
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 02:46 +0000
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-08-29 05:14 +0200
        Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-08-29 14:45 +0100
          Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-29 15:19 +0000
            Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2014-08-30 14:42 +0200
              Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-30 09:09 -0500
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Pascal Hambourg <boite-a-spam@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2014-08-30 17:41 +0200
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-08-30 15:21 -0700
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 17:13 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-08-31 13:24 -0500
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                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 21:00 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-08-31 18:50 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 21:01 +0000
                Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-09-01 00:06 +0000
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              Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-08-31 03:18 +0000
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-07-31 12:54 -0500
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2014-08-14 12:39 +0000
      Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-08-14 08:15 -0700
  Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-07-31 19:08 +0100
    Re: External hard drive usage. NTFS or other file system? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2014-07-31 14:27 -0500
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