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On 2014-02-23, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> As you likely know, big 8 groups are much more managed than alt. and 
> other hierarchies.
>
> In the past, there have been discussions/debates about whether or not 
> charter modifications of a big 8 hierarchy such as comp. need/deserve a 
> formal process for charter changes, with the alternative to discussion 
> being a 'just do it' move with a control message.

	...

> That being said (and the above being referenced), I have no disagreement 
> with anything you've considered in your draft. I applaud what is going 
> on here.
>

Mike - that's useful stuff, thank you.  I have lurked on news.admin
groups since about 2012 when I got the dictator.* hierarchy up and
running and have an appreciation for, though not deep understanding of,
the process.  They're a well-meaning and thorough bunch of people.

I'm not aware that a charter *system* was ever built, although there was
some consensus one would be useful.  But given the nature of NNTP
changes of any nature would be hard to tack onto Usenet.  Even now, UTF8
posts break some old servers - imagine.

I've been tempted to post a note to news.admin.<something> about what
we've been up to.  This is a good reminder I should do so, and see what
everyone thinks. In my opinion - and it's nothing more than an opinion -
a vote would useful if an existing bunch of users decided to
fundamentally change the purpose of the group they'd all been using.  On
the grounds that we've sort of taken over a vacant lot with nothing but
broken bottles and old tires rotting in the weeds, I suspect our case is
a bit different.

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    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 22:35 +0000
      Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 12:13 +0000
        Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 11:47 -0800
          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 20:54 +0000
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 13:13 -0800
              Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:16 -0500
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 22:26 +0000
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          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:10 -0500
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      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-25 09:44 +0000
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