Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...)

From	Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...)
Date	2014-02-26 13:16 -0500
Organization	National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Mike Easter wrote:

> RS Wood wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>>> As you likely know, big 8 groups are much more managed than alt.
>>> and other hierarchies.
>
>> On the grounds that we've sort of taken over a vacant lot with
>> nothing but broken bottles and old tires rotting in the weeds, I
>> suspect our case is a bit different.
>
> Actually, people have been taking over such vacant lot/groups 'forever' 
> because 'that's a better thing to do' than such as the formalized process of 
> creating a new group (and/with a new charter etc).
>
> Sometimes the usenet admin oriented folks get a little full of themselves and 
> their wish for highly organized anarchy. :-)
>
> In reality, a group is whatever the occupants who first find/arrive, then 
> lurk, and ultimately contribute and make of it, for better or worse, not 
> anything usenet admin might think.
>
I would argue that a newsgroup is a trust, it exists for the reason it was 
created.  When people claim they have a right to do whatever they want 
with it, then that newsgroup is lost.  I've seen plenty of newsgroups 
devolve because the "regulars' wanted it to be a hangout, better done in a 
more private thing like email.  The people who want to discuss the actual 
topic, who are often the backbone of that newsgroup, leave, so there's 
even more space for the "hangout".  I've seen new people arrive, and 
almost immediately become part of the hangout, proving themselves because 
they can post off topic as well as the "regulars", and not having to fuss 
with the topic of the newsgroup.  The "regulars" make a horrible example, 
and the newcomers want to fit in, so they follow what's already there.

Usually by the time the newer people have moved in and taken the newsgroup 
elsewhere, it's too late to stop.

   Michael

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A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:19 -0800
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-18 15:38 -0800
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 00:14 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Stephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> - 2014-02-19 16:21 +0000
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2014-02-21 08:18 +0000
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 15:39 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups rcp27g@gmail.com - 2014-02-24 07:56 -0800
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Conceited Jerk <cj.speakeasy@AAARGHgmail.com> - 2014-02-19 12:19 -0600
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-20 08:48 +0000
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-02-20 22:55 +0000
            [OT] Dictator hierarchy RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-20 23:59 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Stephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> - 2014-02-21 05:56 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 12:50 -0500
              Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-26 18:18 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-24 10:14 -0600
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 23:45 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 22:49 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups cykros@devio.us - 2014-02-19 03:48 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-18 19:37 -0800
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 11:57 -0800
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Elizabeth T. Knuth" <eknuth@csbsju.edu> - 2014-02-22 12:08 -0600
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Jon Lane <jon@dorsal.tk> - 2014-06-26 09:12 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2014-02-22 19:06 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-09-17 10:32 +0100
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-17 12:49 +0100
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-09-17 21:55 +0100
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-18 06:35 +0100
              Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-09-18 20:37 +0200
                Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-19 09:59 +0100
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> - 2014-09-17 14:34 +0100
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-17 15:12 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-21 08:56 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 22:14 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 09:16 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2014-02-22 19:09 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-22 14:41 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 22:35 +0000
      Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 12:13 +0000
        Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 11:47 -0800
          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 20:54 +0000
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 13:13 -0800
              Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:16 -0500
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 22:26 +0000
              Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 23:19 +0000
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-24 11:49 +0000
          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:10 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:01 -0500
  Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 10:43 +0000
    Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 16:05 +0000
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-23 16:33 +0000
    Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-02-24 17:03 -0400
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-02-24 21:56 +0000
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-25 09:44 +0000
        Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-02-25 13:15 +0000
  Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 11:31 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-24 12:12 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-24 14:59 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:38 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:37 -0500
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-24 20:37 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-25 21:33 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 12:41 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "wjwlsn" <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 13:06 -0600
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-26 19:22 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-14 23:24 +0000

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