Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...)

From	Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...)
Date	2014-02-26 13:10 -0500
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Mike Easter wrote:

> RS Wood wrote:
>> James Harris wrote:
>
>>> This group needs an FAQ anyway, so maybe it should go in there?
>
>> That's a good idea.
>
>> ... assuming we stay at comp.misc, I took a stab at a quick charter.
>
>> Here's what I wrote.
>
>> Please edit it on the wiki - that's the point of a wiki.
>
> As you likely know, big 8 groups are much more managed than alt. and other 
> hierarchies.
>
> In the past, there have been discussions/debates about whether or not charter 
> modifications of a big 8 hierarchy such as comp. need/deserve a formal 
> process for charter changes, with the alternative to discussion being a 'just 
> do it' move with a control message.
>
In this case, the Board only has to send out a remove message and this one 
goes away.  If it was so empty, they have either looked at it and for some 
reason decided to keep it, or haven't yet gotten to it.

Oddly enough, if enough traffic appears here, then it would be really easy 
for the Board to create a new newsgroup, with a more fitting name. 
Everyone moves there, and this one deleted for lack of traffic.

I know alt.dumpsters was taken over for discussing dumpster diving 
(someone had created it for some other reason, then the original traffic 
died off) but I'm not sure it's such a good idea to claim jump a Big Eight 
newsgroup.

    Michael

> The existing comp.misc control messages in
> ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/comp/comp.misc.gz
>
> ... do not contain a charter per se, but as is commonly the situation contain 
> only brief descriptions of the group such as that it is unmoderated and that 
> it is about - General topics about computers not covered elsewhere.
>
> A discussion about modifications to existing charters (which would include 
> modifications of non-existent charters which are instead only brief 
> descriptions) can be seen here 
> http://www.big-8.org/articles/c/h/a/Charters.html
>
> <snippage thereof>
> "A proper charter management system has to be just that, a
> system, and it should be separate from the group administration
> system."
> </snip>
>
> That being said (and the above being referenced), I have no disagreement with 
> anything you've considered in your draft. I applaud what is going on here.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
>

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A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:19 -0800
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-18 15:38 -0800
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 00:14 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Stephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> - 2014-02-19 16:21 +0000
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2014-02-21 08:18 +0000
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 15:39 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups rcp27g@gmail.com - 2014-02-24 07:56 -0800
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Conceited Jerk <cj.speakeasy@AAARGHgmail.com> - 2014-02-19 12:19 -0600
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-20 08:48 +0000
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-02-20 22:55 +0000
            [OT] Dictator hierarchy RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-20 23:59 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Stephen Thomas Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> - 2014-02-21 05:56 +0000
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 12:50 -0500
              Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-26 18:18 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-24 10:14 -0600
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 23:45 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 22:49 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups cykros@devio.us - 2014-02-19 03:48 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Lance Orner <lance@orner.invalid.net> - 2014-02-18 19:37 -0800
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 11:57 -0800
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Elizabeth T. Knuth" <eknuth@csbsju.edu> - 2014-02-22 12:08 -0600
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Jon Lane <jon@dorsal.tk> - 2014-06-26 09:12 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2014-02-22 19:06 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-09-17 10:32 +0100
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-17 12:49 +0100
          Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-09-17 21:55 +0100
            Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-18 06:35 +0100
              Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> - 2014-09-18 20:37 +0200
                Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-09-19 09:59 +0100
        Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> - 2014-09-17 14:34 +0100
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-09-17 15:12 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-21 08:56 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 22:14 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 09:16 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2014-02-22 19:09 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-22 14:41 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-22 22:35 +0000
      Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 12:13 +0000
        Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 11:47 -0800
          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 20:54 +0000
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2014-02-23 13:13 -0800
              Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:16 -0500
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 22:26 +0000
              Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2014-02-23 23:19 +0000
            Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-24 11:49 +0000
          Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:10 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:01 -0500
  Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 10:43 +0000
    Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-23 16:05 +0000
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-23 16:33 +0000
    Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-02-24 17:03 -0400
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-02-24 21:56 +0000
      Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-25 09:44 +0000
        Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-02-25 13:15 +0000
  Re: Potential Charter (was comp.misc list of ...) wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-23 11:31 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-24 12:12 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-24 14:59 +0000
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:38 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 13:37 -0500
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-24 20:37 +0000
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-02-25 21:33 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-26 12:41 -0500
    Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups "wjwlsn" <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-02-26 13:06 -0600
      Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-26 19:22 +0000
  Re: A comp.misc list of active newsgroups Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2014-03-14 23:24 +0000

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