Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD

From	"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD
Date	2014-02-18 16:21 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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on 18/02/2014 04:48:51,  wrote:
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 7:53:18 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
>> on 16/02/2014 11:21:59,  wrote:
>> > On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:48:34 AM UTC-7, Alex McDonald wrote:
>> >> You and I have had a long discussion about the poor quality of the
>> >> implementation of popular sorts you wrote in your novice package, wher
> e
>> >> you have serious misunderstandings of how pointers work.
> 
>> > My SORT works fine (it uses the HeapSort algorithm by default,
>> > although I also have a QuickSort version), and I'm pretty sure that I
>> > know how pointers work.
> 
>> We had a long discussion about how your sorts moved records (fixed length
>> areas of memory) rather than adjusted a list of pointers, and was going
>> to be slow on anything other than a small number of short records due to
>> the amount of data being moved.
> 
> SORT works for either an array of records or an array of pointers to
> record s --- the user has the option to do either.
> 
> For example, in LIST.4TH I have BIG-SORT that converts a list into an
> array of pointers to the nodes of the list, does SORT on that array of
> pointers, then converts the array of pointers back into a sorted list
> again.

Sigh. I really can't be arsed finding all the replies I made to you on
the subject of sorting. As with your symtab nonsense, you claimed
performance that you weren't willing to test. Others did it for you. 

And you have been told before that a merge sort is much faster and much
easier for lists. Only an idiot would do what you suggest, but apparently
you are that idiot.


> 
> On the other hand, it is often convenient for a programmer to have an
> array of records rather than an array of pointers to records. Of
> course, if the records are very large, then moving them around may be
> inefficient, so this has to be balanced against convenience. The
> programmer can do whatever he wants to do though --- I don't limit him
> to one way or the other --- it is his choice.
> 
> When you say that I have a "serious misunderstanding of how pointers
> work," you are just being a troll lobbing weird accusations at me.
> I've been pret ty solid on how pointers work since I was a teenager
> programming the 6502 i n the VIC-20 --- your accusation is not
> realistic --- who is really going t o believe that at this late data I
> still don't know how pointers work? The same thing is true of Julian
> Fondren saying that my ,STR doesn't work --- f or a troll, truth is
> not an issue --- the whole point seems to be just to p oison the minds
> of people like Hank with the idea that my novice package is full of
> bugs. These aren't "discussions" --- these are attacks full of lie s.

I didn't realise that Julian Fondren had joined the long list of folks
you dislike. More to the point, what's he got to do with my point?

> 
>> Your present appears to be repeating the past. We've been over some of
>> the novice packages issues here before. You did not invent anything but
>> the name "symtab"; splay trees have been around a lot longer than that.
> 
> Symtab is not a splay-tree.
> 
> A splay-tree assumes that words that were recently searched for will
> be sea rched for again. By comparison, my symtab assumes that words
> have a relativ ely static frequency of how often they are searched
> for. For example, a wor d such as + will migrate closer to the root of
> the tree than a word such as D+ assuming that it is used more often.
> My symtab algorithm really has not hing in common with the splay-tree
> algorithm.
> 

Double sigh. You were taken through all this before, and your claim for
its superior performance for a whole range of use cases was dismissed.

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How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-08 18:26 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-09 12:18 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-09 20:00 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:47 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-09 13:02 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-09 13:12 +0000
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 08:48 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:22 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:22 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-09 08:47 -1000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-09 18:13 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 02:27 -0800
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:20 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:14 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-18 20:11 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 06:56 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-18 21:17 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Steve <jsgrahamus@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-10 19:29 +0000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:34 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:25 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:59 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 -1000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 16:07 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:46 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:47 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:53 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:52 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-12 14:32 -1000
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 17:13 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 18:56 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 08:40 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 17:16 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 16:32 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:11 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 12:15 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 17:35 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 12:02 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 12:57 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 18:12 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:10 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:34 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-16 09:48 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 03:21 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-17 12:38 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-17 08:09 -0600
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-17 19:32 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-17 14:53 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-17 20:48 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-18 16:21 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-02-16 09:32 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 03:07 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-02-16 10:09 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 15:39 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-17 19:54 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-17 19:51 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 16:40 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 11:44 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 15:18 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:48 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 16:00 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-19 01:01 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 18:11 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 18:19 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 11:41 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-19 16:24 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-19 23:08 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-20 13:11 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-20 21:10 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 22:42 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-21 22:16 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 12:04 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-19 07:45 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-19 20:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-19 22:25 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-20 12:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-20 13:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-20 17:11 +0000
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-15 16:34 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:06 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:22 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-13 02:56 -0500
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-12 22:13 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 08:56 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-13 11:57 +0000
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-13 02:56 -0500
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-12 14:56 +0000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-12 11:24 -0800
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 15:48 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:18 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 17:39 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-13 01:41 +0100
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Hank Lenzi <henry.lenzi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-14 01:25 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 17:03 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-14 02:41 +0000
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-13 12:40 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 17:41 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-10 02:32 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 17:23 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:49 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:50 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 16:38 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:20 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:23 -0800

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