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Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD
Date 2014-02-14 01:25 +0100
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Hank Lenzi wrote:

>  As a matter of fact, I did look into it, but it just sort of froze in
>  Windows.

Strange.  I've maintained a MINOS program over years that was in use by a 
number of customers...  But that's why I don't recommend developing FOSS for 
Windows: You get absolutely no useful feedback.  It is next to impossible to 
fix bugs, unless you see them yourself.  I've looked at the downloads of the 
bigForth for Windows version vs. the Linux version, and at one point in 
time, the relation was 50/50.  The feedback relation was 0/100.  No feedback 
whatsoever from the Windows side.  Occasionally, when asking someone 
directly, he'll tell me something in the line of "it just sort of froze" or 
whatever most unhelpful description you can imagine.

That was when I gave up.  There's no culture for bug reports in the Windows 
user world.  If you report a bug, precicely state what you did, so that this 
can be reproduced.  Be open for a second round to make things more clear, 
the other side might misunderstand your problem.

I've quite good experience with the few Russian guys who use Gforth on 
Android.  They are way overrepresented in the bug reports statistics, and 
they do provide useful feedback.

IMHO, the unhelpfulnes of Windows user feedback is that they are not used to 
ever get any help on feedback.  Or even figure out how to reproduce bugs or 
get more informations.  If you use Windows, you are helpless, anyways.

>  I'm sorry, but I can't expect Linux on our health clinic. And I have no
>  say in that matter either.

Sure.

>  Also, part of the documentation was in German, IIRC.

Yes, I can see that this is a problem.  The German documentation is also 
lacking.  There are people who use MINOS productively, though, and not all 
of them are German native speakers.  Ok, the rest of them are AFAIK of 
Russian origin, but that might only be, because they just do provide 
feedback.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-08 18:26 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-09 12:18 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-09 20:00 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:47 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-09 13:02 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-09 13:12 +0000
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 08:48 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:22 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:22 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-09 08:47 -1000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-09 18:13 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 02:27 -0800
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:20 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:14 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-18 20:11 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 06:56 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-18 21:17 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Steve <jsgrahamus@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-10 19:29 +0000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:34 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:25 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 16:59 -0800
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 -1000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 16:07 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:46 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:47 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:53 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:52 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-12 14:32 -1000
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 17:13 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 18:56 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 08:40 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 17:16 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 16:32 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 01:11 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 12:15 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 17:35 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-14 12:02 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 12:57 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 18:12 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:10 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:34 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-16 09:48 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 03:21 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-17 12:38 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-02-17 08:09 -0600
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-17 19:32 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-17 14:53 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-17 20:48 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-02-18 16:21 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-02-16 09:32 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 03:07 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-02-16 10:09 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-16 15:39 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-17 19:54 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-17 19:51 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 16:40 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 11:44 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 15:18 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-18 14:48 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 16:00 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-19 01:01 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 18:11 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-18 18:19 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-19 11:41 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-19 16:24 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-19 23:08 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-20 13:11 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-20 21:10 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 22:42 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-21 22:16 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-20 12:04 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-19 07:45 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-19 20:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-19 22:25 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-20 12:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2014-02-20 13:10 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-20 17:11 +0000
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-15 16:34 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:06 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:22 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-13 02:56 -0500
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-02-12 22:13 -1000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-02-13 08:56 +0000
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-13 11:57 +0000
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2014-02-13 02:56 -0500
      Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-12 14:56 +0000
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD mhx@iae.nl - 2014-02-12 11:24 -0800
        Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 15:48 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-12 16:18 -0800
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-12 17:39 -0800
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-13 01:41 +0100
            Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Hank Lenzi <henry.lenzi@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 -0800
              Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-02-14 01:25 +0100
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 17:03 -0800
                Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-02-14 02:41 +0000
          Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-02-13 12:40 +0000
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 17:41 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-10 02:32 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-11 17:23 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 15:49 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:50 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hank.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-13 16:38 -0800
  Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-02-15 19:20 -0800
    Re: How to get an address for a string by direct user input without using PAD henry.lenzi@gmail.com - 2014-02-15 19:23 -0800

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