Re: Editor recommendation

From	Don Y <this@isnotme.com>
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Subject	Re: Editor recommendation
Date	2013-08-31 13:45 -0700
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Hi Randy,

On 8/31/2013 12:13 PM, Randy Yates wrote:
> Don Y <this@isnotme.com> writes:
>> [...]
>> Hi Randy,
>> OK, so what's a "150 dpi" display?  If you're viewing an 11" tall
>> sheet of paper "at full scale" (i.e., 1:1), that's ~1600 dots
>> vertically.
>
> It's 1650 dots.

Yes.  But you don't really need to see the top/bottom margins
(OTOH, you have to make allowances for the button bar, window
frame, etc.)  I'm trying to give a *feel* for the problem;
not "engineer a solution".

>> Using a 4:3 monitor in landscape mode would require a resolution
>> of 1600x2100 in an 18.5" diag display.  A 4:3 monitor in portrait
>> mode would require a resolution of 1200x1600 in a 14" diag display.
>>
>> Using a 16:9 monitor in landscape mode requires a resolution of
>> 1600x2850 in a 22.5" display.  In portrait mode, you'd need
>> 900x1600 in a 13" display.
>>
>> [My math may be off -- I haven't done this calculation in a few
>> years!]
>>
>> I.e., you want *small* displays with high resolutions.  And, that
>> just barely gives you the visual resolution to determine what's
>> actually on the screen!
>>
>> Most displays with higher resolutions
>
> You're overloading the word "resolution." In the printing world, which
> I'll call p-resolution, it's dots per inch; in the monitor world, which
> I'll call m-resolution, it's dots per orientation (vertical or
> horizontal). I know you know this, just pulling in the semantics a bit.
>
>> (i.e., *better* than these
>> figures!) tend to be physically larger.
>
> If what you need is a p-resolution of 150 DPI or better, you're not
> going to get that p-resolution on any monitor that I know of, precisely
> because of this.
>
> For example, the HP ZR30Z is 2560x1600 at a 30 inch diagonal. That is
>
>    Lv = 30 * sin(arctan(1/1.6))
>       = 15.9 inches (approx.)
>
>    Lh = 30 * cos(arctan(1/1.6))
>       = 25.44 inches (approx.)
>
> So this gets you
>
>     p-resolution = 1600 / 15.9
>                  = 100.6 DPI (approx.)
>
> I know of no smaller monitors that have 2560x1600 resolution. If
> they existed then you could of course come closer to 150 DPI.

Exactly.  This is the problem I face with my current monitors;
I end up needing to view the image at > 100% physical scale
(so, you're reading a single sheet of paper yet encountering
it more like you would a *newspaper*)

And, 150 dpi is a *huge* concession -- as I was trying to
illustrate with my "font" descriptions.

As I said (tongue-in-cheek) "you just can't get a monitor *big*
enough!!"

> So yeah, if you need that p-resolution, I guess you'll have to
> view the printed form of your documents.
>
> Personally I think I could live with a 30-inch monitor because of my own
> unique physiology - I am near-sighted and viewing large monitors
> close-up best suits me.

Myopia/astigmatism -- so, even with just a *mild* Rx, detail falls
off *quickly* with distance.  At a distance where you would
typically hold a sheet of paper or a book, I can see very fine
detail (assuming enough ambient light).  Put a large monitor
(or monitors) on a desktop at arm's length and all that detail
melts away.

(I.e., I want a 14" portrait monitor at half that distance but
with much higher resolution -- so it *can* reproduce that level
of detail.  I've been looking at some very high resolution B&W
LCD monitors but the loss of color capability makes that yet
another tradeoff.)

> By the way, I bought a Lexmark C760 printer a few years' back,
> a native 1200x1200 color laser. Delicious output; hellish
> operating costs (~$120 per cartridge i a CMYK system)...

I use a duplexed Phaser (solid ink) for proof copies (1000x1000).
Nice "magazine-like" finish to the page (melted wax).  Ink "sticks"
are ~$50/color (CMYK) for ~2500 pages (at "nominal" coverage rates)
so, about 12c per page.  But, I can usually find supplies being
discarded, sold at local auctions, etc.  (IME, this is a *huge*
advantage for that solid ink form -- really long shelf life even
after "opened"!)

Unfortunately, it leaves the place smelling of "melted crayons" for
the better part of the day.

[Startup has a big ink cost associated with it as it cleans
the ink wells, drum, etc.  So, I wait until I have a few hundred
pages to run off before firing it up]

When a document is "done", I have it printed at a nearby service
bureau (of course, the interactive and multimedia portions of the
documents don't "print").

For "lower quality, higher volume" output (presentations, etc.),
I use a 600/1200 dpi color laser (but the images don't seem to
be as vibrant or crisp as with the phaser).

For *much* higher volume, a duplexed 600 dpi (monochrome) laser
makes it really easy to run off hundreds of pages in a few
minutes.  But, this is usually only useful for proofreading
text and checking placements of images/tables/text/etc. in a
very coarse way.

And, for day-to-day "one offs", a low temperature 600 dpi laser.

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