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Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability

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On 8/16/2013 5:29 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Richard Maher"  wrote in message news:kukq2v$jfs$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> And up until v2.0 mandate some bollocks proprietary scripting language
>> IIRC?
>
> Yes but that was literally years ago.  JFX 8 is due in early 2014.

Ah, it's all in the next version, I get it :-)

>
>> I wish you why but IMnsHO JavaFX was still-born with Silverlight and
>> faces a similar future. Maybe that's why I just saw Larry crying into
>> his beer on CBS about those "evil" Google guys. "Boo whoooo, they
>> can't just copy Java sniff sniff".
>
> No, not still-born at all.  Flash and Silverlight, both of which are
> correctly categorised as dead or dying, do not actually compete with
> JavaFX as they are primarily browser-based and relying on plug-ins.
> JavaFX already runs on the desktop and in many embedded environments and
> soon will run on iOS and Android.  JavaFX has a very strong future.

I certainly hope it's stronger than its "6 YEAR" past!
>
>> What value does it add except letting a bunch of fat middle-aged Java
>> programmers pretend that modern GUIs and convergence still involves
>> their new-COBOL?
>
> Unfair and way off the mark.  Java is not and never will be the "new
> COBOL". It is still extremely vibrant and evolving; JavaFX in particular.
>
>> I've never had to be number 1. Out of the lime-light much has been
>> happening.
>
> Care to elaborate what has been happening?
>
>> I'd rather use Python, Ruby etc :-)
>>
>> Too me Applets are for infrastructure the GUI is HTML5, CSS3, and
>> Javascript.
>
> HTML5/JS/CSS3 are for building web pages.

A limitation/designation that you find convenient. Most people see no 
such restriction.

A lot of people also like to break an "Application" up into layers such 
as presentation, business, database or whatever takes your fancy. I 
subscribe to the school of thought that says any claim or mandate for 
Java everywhere in modern RIAs is seriously missing the point, the 
paradigm shift, and ultimately the epoch.

Java, C#, COBOL and SQL is the mutt's nuts on the back-end but a hammer 
isn't the only tool in the box.

>JavaFX is for build
> applications.

I just don't know what we've done without it. Well done with Candy Crush 
BTW.

>
>> I think I read today that Google has pulled Microsoft's version of
>> YouTube because it's not HTML5 only?
>
> Well, you mean well I'm sure but Google has done no such thing.
> Instead, they are making it very difficult for a software vendor who is
> working on a YouTube app for Windows Phone by imposing content licensing
> restrictions on them which they do not apply to similar apps on iOS or
> Android.  They are claiming that they are doing this because the app is
> not written in HTML5 (when neither are the apps on iOS or Android) but,
> really, it's completely politically motivated and has no technological
> basis whatsoever.  And it's crucial to see that neither Apple nor Google
> use HTML5 for their own YouTube apps simply because it isn't suitable.
>
> Consider that Google still use Flash for many things like Street View
> (last time I checked at least but I know a BETA is out too that may have
> moved away from this).
>
> HTML5 is MASSIVELY OVER-HYPED!

Keep chanting that and hugging that blanket :-)

I happen to agree with you (Web Workers are an abomination and Web 
Sockets are a joke that's about as funny as fart in an elevator) but, as 
a bag of tricks, has some wonderful enabling technology.
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

Cheers Richard

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Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 00:20 +0000
  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:36 -0400
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:41 -0400
  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arivald <NOSPAMarivald@interia.pl> - 2013-08-14 08:58 +0200
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:18 +0200
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 13:15 -0500
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-30 10:17 -0800
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 15:08 -0500
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:34 +1100
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 17:56 -0500
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 10:06 +1100
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:16 -0500
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-30 17:38 -0600
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:53 -0500
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:40 +0100
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:37 +0100
  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:21 +0200
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 19:53 +0000
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:13 -0700
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:04 +0000
  Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 08:18 +1000
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-15 06:46 +0800
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:05 +1000
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 16:58 +0800
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:56 -0400
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:28 -0400
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:48 +1000
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:20 +0800
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:55 -0400
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 11:26 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:33 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-19 19:44 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:17 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:52 -0400
                [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-19 08:31 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 17:13 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:48 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 17:56 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:25 -0400
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:06 +0800
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:29 +1000
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:57 +0800
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 21:16 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 18:23 -0300
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 23:22 +0000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-17 10:24 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 08:55 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 18:24 -0700
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 22:59 -0300
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:36 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:00 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-08-19 13:11 +0100
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:32 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:09 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-17 11:37 +0000
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:07 -0400
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:02 -0400
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:13 +0000
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:13 +0800
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 20:01 +0000
    Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 18:51 -0400
      Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:07 +1000
        Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:26 -0400
          Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:53 +1000
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:06 -0700
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:10 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:40 -0400
            Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 21:23 -0400
              Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:23 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:41 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:07 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:45 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:49 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:11 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:13 -0400
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:26 +0800
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:09 +1000
                Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:14 -0400
        Please don't discuss the outside world Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:22 +0800
          Re: Please don't discuss the outside world "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000

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