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| From | "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| References | (2 earlier) <kuh1bj$2ps$1@speranza.aioe.org> <520c1295$0$304$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> <kukq2v$jfs$1@speranza.aioe.org> <neWdnYAmpciHbJDPnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> <kukt2v$r2o$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| Subject | Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability |
| Date | 2013-08-16 21:16 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <odOdne_QVoygl5PPnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@westnet.com.au> (permalink) |
"Richard Maher" wrote in message news:kukt2v$r2o$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> Yes but that was literally years ago. JFX 8 is due in early 2014. > > Ah, it's all in the next version, I get it :-) No, I never claimed that. I merely pointed out that JavaFX Script (the name you were reaching for) hasn't been in use for years so it's a bit silly to criticise JavaFX on the basis of it. >> No, not still-born at all. Flash and Silverlight, both of which are >> correctly categorised as dead or dying, do not actually compete with >> JavaFX as they are primarily browser-based and relying on plug-ins. >> JavaFX already runs on the desktop and in many embedded environments and >> soon will run on iOS and Android. JavaFX has a very strong future. > > I certainly hope it's stronger than its "6 YEAR" past! Under-handed but fair. One of my own frustrations is with the very slow adoption rate of JavaFX and I think it comes down to the fact that Sun and then Oracle got it horribly wrong at first. Like you alluded to, the first release was not even a Java API and to use it you had to learn an entirely new language. Quite frankly, almost nobody wanted to do that even though JavaFX Script was a great language and had some innovative features. Also, in its first incarnation it was very limited in the scope of its functionality and was quite wrongly marketed as a technology that would replace applets by running in the browser and competing with Flash and Silverlight. That was a battle that JavaFX had absolutely no chance of winning even if browser plug-in based technologies weren't on the decline anyway simply because of a lack of features and, mainly, due to the totally inept way that the Java Plugin launched and handled applets. >> HTML5/JS/CSS3 are for building web pages. > > A limitation/designation that you find convenient. Most people see no such > restriction. HTML was designed as way of displaying linked pages of marked-up text and even though it has evolved considerably since the '90s, that paradigm is still central to its very existence as a technology. I am yet to see any evidence that you can build true desktop-like "applications" that run inside a web browser without any plugins. And even if you could, they would be abominations lacking in features such as multi-threading, native API and device accessibility and (despite what HTML5/JS fanboys would have you believe) would perform like a wounded dog. > A lot of people also like to break an "Application" up into layers such as > presentation, business, database or whatever takes your fancy. I subscribe > to the school of thought that says any claim or mandate for Java > everywhere in modern RIAs is seriously missing the point, the paradigm > shift, and ultimately the epoch. If you really take an in-depth look at JavaFX and properly evaluate its features and performance you may wish to cancel your "subscription" to that particular school of thought. > Java, C#, COBOL and SQL is the mutt's nuts on the back-end but a hammer > isn't the only tool in the box. Well that's one of the real strengths of Java and the JVM in general... it really does run in an amazing number of places and on an amazing array of hardware platforms and to categorise it as a "back-end" technology is seriously missing the point. >> JavaFX is for build >> applications. Of course I meant "building" by the way... > I just don't know what we've done without it. Well done with Candy Crush > BTW. Sarcasm noted again. There will be JavaFX apps in the iOS App Store and in Google Play within 6-12 months. That's my prediction and I am sticking to it! >> HTML5 is MASSIVELY OVER-HYPED! > > Keep chanting that and hugging that blanket :-) OK, I am noting that sarcasm again... but seriously Richard, I have never ever seen a more hyped technology in my long involvement in IT than HTML5. For years absolutely outrageous claims have been made about what it could do and the kind of websites (oops, I mean apps) that would be developed with it and yet, as I said, I haven't seen anything I would classify as even mildly impressive. Sure, there are some quite fancy Canvas and WebGL demos and snippets out there (and I stress *demos* and *snippets*) but where are all the real-world, commercial quality, desktop-like large applications that we were continually promised and why is everyone still buying desktop applications? > I happen to agree with you (Web Workers are an abomination and Web Sockets > are a joke that's about as funny as fart in an elevator) but, as a bag of > tricks, has some wonderful enabling technology. Yes, as I mentioned, if you want to do anything beyond even the most trivial multi-threading in a web browser you can forget it. And... JavaScript is an utterly awful language to attempt to use to develop "apps". It was designed purely as a scripting language to implement a bit of navigation logic within web pages and is really not suitable for anything more advanced than that. For productivity and robustness, given me a modern, truly OO statically typed language like Java anytime! -- And loving it, -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct) _________________________________________________ Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]
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Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 00:20 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:36 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-13 20:41 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arivald <NOSPAMarivald@interia.pl> - 2013-08-14 08:58 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:18 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 13:15 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-12-30 10:17 -0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 15:08 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 08:34 +1100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 17:56 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 10:06 +1100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:16 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-30 17:38 -0600
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-30 18:53 -0500
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:40 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-31 02:37 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-08-14 11:21 +0200
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-14 19:53 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:13 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:04 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 08:18 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-15 06:46 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:05 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 16:58 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:56 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:28 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:48 +1000
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Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 21:55 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 11:26 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:33 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-19 19:44 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:17 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:52 -0400
[OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-19 08:31 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 17:13 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:48 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 17:56 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:25 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:06 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:29 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:57 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 21:16 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 18:23 -0300
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 23:22 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-17 10:24 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-17 08:55 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 18:24 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-08-16 22:59 -0300
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-18 21:36 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-19 18:00 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-08-19 13:11 +0100
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-19 10:32 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-17 11:37 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:02 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-15 21:13 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:13 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-08-16 20:01 +0000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 18:51 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:07 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 19:26 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 09:53 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-08-14 18:06 -0700
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:10 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:40 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-14 21:23 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-15 15:23 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:41 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:07 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:45 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-15 20:49 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:11 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:13 -0400
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:26 +0800
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 19:09 +1000
Re: Developing for AWT/Swing and Android portability Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-08-16 22:14 -0400
Please don't discuss the outside world Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-16 17:22 +0800
Re: Please don't discuss the outside world "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-08-16 20:50 +1000
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