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Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?
Date 2023-08-27 22:56 +1000
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On 26-Aug-23 11:59 pm, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:03:52 AM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 25-Aug-23 1:15 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> By being indoctrinated in an ideology.
>>>
>>> Why can't they defend that with reason?
>>>
>>> Because they weren't persuaded by reason.
>> Do you ever wonder how a theory proposed by a patent clerk in his
>> twenties came to be accepted by the vast majority of physicists? Even if
>> it were true now that he is a supreme scientific figure whom no one can
>> contradict (spoiler alert, it's not), it wouldn't have been the case then.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> It was not because of him and his lame 1905 paper. It was due to the endorsement of Minkowski and his
> mathematical formalism, following the lead of Poincaré, which made relativity a "respectable" theory.
> 
> As one of the top mathematicians in Europe by that epoch (along with Poincaré, Hilbert, Klein), HIS theory of
> 4D SPACETIME captured the imagination of respectable scientists by then.
> 
> After the application of tensors, spacetime and absolute differential geometry (Ricci, Levi-Civita, Grossman, Hilbert),
> the scientific world HAD TO FOLLOW THE PROPOSALS OF MATHEMATICIANS, not physicists.
> 
> Einstein was the ICON used to make it popular within gullible imbeciles, with his stupid manipulation OF TIME.
> 
> All of a sudden, the populace started to think about NOT AGING IF MOVING FAST. That was THE TICKET.
> 
> I wonder what happened with the companion mathematical effect: LENGTH CONTRACTION. It didn't gain traction, but
> TIME NON-LINEAR MANIPULATION was a winner (for the ignorant imbeciles that followed it as relativists).
> 
> More stupid things happened in the last 150 years, because PEOPLE ARE STUPID (99.99% of them).
> 
> Are you within the 0.01%?
> 
> 
> 

What you seem to miss in the above is that mathematics can only describe 
models that could represent the universe. It can describe many such 
models, but is incapable of choosing between them. It takes physics to 
determine which model is the correct one.

Sylvia.

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  Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 22:58 -0700
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