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Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?

From	Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?
Date	2023-08-27 16:21 +0200
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On 2023-08-27 13:21:08 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 27/08/2023 à 15:19, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>> On 2023-08-27 13:11:51 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>> 
>>> Le 27/08/2023 à 14:56, Sylvia Else a écrit :
>>>> On 26-Aug-23 11:59 pm, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:03:52 AM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 25-Aug-23 1:15 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>> By being indoctrinated in an ideology.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why can't they defend that with reason?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because they weren't persuaded by reason.
>>>>>> Do you ever wonder how a theory proposed by a patent clerk in his
>>>>>> twenties came to be accepted by the vast majority of physicists? Even if
>>>>>> it were true now that he is a supreme scientific figure whom no one can
>>>>>> contradict (spoiler alert, it's not), it wouldn't have been the case then.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was not because of him and his lame 1905 paper. It was due to the 
>>>>> endorsement of Minkowski and his
>>>>> mathematical formalism, following the lead of Poincaré, which made 
>>>>> relativity a "respectable" theory.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As one of the top mathematicians in Europe by that epoch (along with 
>>>>> Poincaré, Hilbert, Klein), HIS theory of
>>>>> 4D SPACETIME captured the imagination of respectable scientists by then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After the application of tensors, spacetime and absolute differential 
>>>>> geometry (Ricci, Levi-Civita, Grossman, Hilbert),
>>>>> the scientific world HAD TO FOLLOW THE PROPOSALS OF MATHEMATICIANS, not 
>>>>> physicists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Einstein was the ICON used to make it popular within gullible 
>>>>> imbeciles, with his stupid manipulation OF TIME.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of a sudden, the populace started to think about NOT AGING IF 
>>>>> MOVING FAST. That was THE TICKET.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder what happened with the companion mathematical effect: LENGTH 
>>>>> CONTRACTION. It didn't gain traction, but
>>>>> TIME NON-LINEAR MANIPULATION was a winner (for the ignorant imbeciles 
>>>>> that followed it as relativists).
>>>>> 
>>>>> More stupid things happened in the last 150 years, because PEOPLE ARE 
>>>>> STUPID (99.99% of them).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you within the 0.01%?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What you seem to miss in the above is that mathematics can only 
>>>> describe models that could represent the universe. It can describe many 
>>>> such models, but is incapable of choosing between them. It takes 
>>>> physics to determine which model is the correct one.
>>>> 
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> 
>>> Not necessarily.
>>> 
>>> If we take the geometry of Minkowski (4D universe) and that of Hachel 
>>> (3DD+1 universe), we realize that at the start, things seem quite 
>>> similar.
>>> But the more we progress in the concepts and the equations, the more it 
>>> differs.
>>> 
>>> We then say to ourselves: the best is experimentation.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that as things stand now (but not for much longer, I 
>>> think, as the practice progresses) the basic equations and predictions 
>>> are the same.
>>> 
>>> Except that already, and we already had it as early as 1905, the RR 
>>> equations are incoherent if we practice at observable speeds.
>>> 
>>> They therefore have no chance of being true. None.
>>> 
>>> We can therefore, just by theory, guillotine the RR.
>>> 
>>> I have long since asked physicists how they can describe a Langevin in 
>>> apparent velocities. All of them replied that they couldn't, and that 
>>> they no longer understood anything.
>>> 
>>> In France recently, Professor Python tried to defame me.
>>> 
>>> The audience was very surprised to find that he didn't even know what 
>>> he was talking about.
>>> 
>>> A humorous video was made (if you can read the French).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.captiongenerator.com/v/2289477/les-physiciens-veulent-interdiction-hachel-de-parler... 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> So your humour, such as it is, rivals the level of stupidity of your 
>> posts. Quelle surprise.
> 
> Oui, je sais, je suis magnifique.
> 
> El Magnifico.
> 
> En espagnol.
> 
> Tu parles espagnol, toi?

Oui. Tu as oublié l'accent aigu de magnífico.



-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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