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Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: How can highly intelligent people wind up believing foolish things?
Date 2023-08-27 15:19 +0200
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On 2023-08-27 13:11:51 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 27/08/2023 à 14:56, Sylvia Else a écrit :
>> On 26-Aug-23 11:59 pm, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:03:52 AM UTC-3, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 25-Aug-23 1:15 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>> By being indoctrinated in an ideology.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why can't they defend that with reason?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because they weren't persuaded by reason.
>>>> Do you ever wonder how a theory proposed by a patent clerk in his
>>>> twenties came to be accepted by the vast majority of physicists? Even if
>>>> it were true now that he is a supreme scientific figure whom no one can
>>>> contradict (spoiler alert, it's not), it wouldn't have been the case then.
>>>> 
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> 
>>> It was not because of him and his lame 1905 paper. It was due to the 
>>> endorsement of Minkowski and his
>>> mathematical formalism, following the lead of Poincaré, which made 
>>> relativity a "respectable" theory.
>>> 
>>> As one of the top mathematicians in Europe by that epoch (along with 
>>> Poincaré, Hilbert, Klein), HIS theory of
>>> 4D SPACETIME captured the imagination of respectable scientists by then.
>>> 
>>> After the application of tensors, spacetime and absolute differential 
>>> geometry (Ricci, Levi-Civita, Grossman, Hilbert),
>>> the scientific world HAD TO FOLLOW THE PROPOSALS OF MATHEMATICIANS, not 
>>> physicists.
>>> 
>>> Einstein was the ICON used to make it popular within gullible 
>>> imbeciles, with his stupid manipulation OF TIME.
>>> 
>>> All of a sudden, the populace started to think about NOT AGING IF 
>>> MOVING FAST. That was THE TICKET.
>>> 
>>> I wonder what happened with the companion mathematical effect: LENGTH 
>>> CONTRACTION. It didn't gain traction, but
>>> TIME NON-LINEAR MANIPULATION was a winner (for the ignorant imbeciles 
>>> that followed it as relativists).
>>> 
>>> More stupid things happened in the last 150 years, because PEOPLE ARE 
>>> STUPID (99.99% of them).
>>> 
>>> Are you within the 0.01%?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> What you seem to miss in the above is that mathematics can only 
>> describe models that could represent the universe. It can describe many 
>> such models, but is incapable of choosing between them. It takes 
>> physics to determine which model is the correct one.
>> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Not necessarily.
> 
> If we take the geometry of Minkowski (4D universe) and that of Hachel 
> (3DD+1 universe), we realize that at the start, things seem quite 
> similar.
> But the more we progress in the concepts and the equations, the more it 
> differs.
> 
> We then say to ourselves: the best is experimentation.
> 
> The problem is that as things stand now (but not for much longer, I 
> think, as the practice progresses) the basic equations and predictions 
> are the same.
> 
> Except that already, and we already had it as early as 1905, the RR 
> equations are incoherent if we practice at observable speeds.
> 
> They therefore have no chance of being true. None.
> 
> We can therefore, just by theory, guillotine the RR.
> 
> I have long since asked physicists how they can describe a Langevin in 
> apparent velocities. All of them replied that they couldn't, and that 
> they no longer understood anything.
> 
> In France recently, Professor Python tried to defame me.
> 
> The audience was very surprised to find that he didn't even know what 
> he was talking about.
> 
> A humorous video was made (if you can read the French).
> 
> https://www.captiongenerator.com/v/2289477/les-physiciens-veulent-interdiction-hachel-de-parler... 
> 

So your humour, such as it is, rivals the level of stupidity of your 
posts. Quelle surprise.

-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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