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Re: Relativity is a sacred cow.

From	whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Relativity is a sacred cow.
Date	2023-06-26 20:07 -0500
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On 6/26/2023 4:43 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:56:55 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 6/26/2023 1:15 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> “ Einstein made space and time relative, but in order to do this he had to take something else, which
>>> was the velocity of light, and make it absolute. The velocity of light occupies an extraordinary place in
>>> modern physics. It is lese-majeste’ to make any criticism of the velocity of light. It is a sacred cow
>>> within a sacred cow, and it is just about the Absolutest Absolute in the history of human thought.
>>> There is a textbook on physics which openly says, “Relativity is now accepted as a faith.” This
>>> statement, although utterly astounding in what purports to be a science, is unfortunately only too
>>> true. ”
>>> —A. Standen, Science is a Sacred Cow, (Sheed and Ward, 1952), pp. 52-53.
>> The "absolute velocity of light" is a much misunderstood
>> teaching. Unfortunately I am not inclined to attempt to
>> rationalize it to anyone but I hope you'll eventually
>> see through the protests and actually understand it.
>>
>> I will say that where all the "standards" we use to
>> measure can vary with a local environment one cannot
>> actually assert that any aspect is absolute other than
>> sometimes some of the numbers are considered "fixed."
>>
>> Anyway, enjoy exploring the issues.
> Is it me, or do you sound sanctimonious? Anyway, "fixed" is definitely the word for it!

Trust me, it is you. Reporting apparent (perhaps obvious to some)
facts is never sanctimonious. Consider that how we word things
can form a deterrent to conversation that is, after all, the
reason for these newsgroups. I'm afraid you might have lost
objectivity. Nymshifter is a wonderful example of that problem.
Please don't become a poor copy. One of the cheapest things in
this world is a soapbox. In the end the person standing on one
invariably becomes a laughingstock even when people in the
immediate vicinity remain polite.

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Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 11:15 -0700
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 13:56 -0500
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 14:43 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:07 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:34 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 16:58 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 17:49 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:40 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:11 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:21 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:36 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:53 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-27 13:02 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:09 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:31 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-27 22:53 -0400
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:22 +1000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:26 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:38 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 07:04 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 15:36 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-29 11:25 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 13:42 -0500
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:09 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:52 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:20 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 12:02 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-28 14:11 -0400
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:27 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:39 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 21:36 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 14:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:02 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:05 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:48 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:12 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:38 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:32 -0400
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 06:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Buster Snyders <srrs@nynybnse.ss> - 2023-07-01 15:31 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 13:08 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:00 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:04 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 18:48 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-27 21:13 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-28 09:11 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:35 -0700
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Russel Schenck <cscr@nsukeckn.rl> - 2023-06-28 16:32 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:19 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 15:40 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 16:09 +1000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 23:32 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 10:09 +0000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 11:47 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 16:14 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 19:09 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:49 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:44 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:21 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 11:02 -0700

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