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Re: Relativity is a sacred cow.

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On 6/26/2023 7:49 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:58:47 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> “ Einstein made space and time relative, but in order to do this he had to take something else, which
>>> was the velocity of light, and make it absolute. The velocity of light occupies an extraordinary place in
>>> modern physics. It is lese-majeste’ to make any criticism of the velocity of light. It is a sacred cow
>>> within a sacred cow, and it is just about the Absolutest Absolute in the history of human thought.
>>> There is a textbook on physics which openly says, “Relativity is now accepted as a faith.” This
>>> statement, although utterly astounding in what purports to be a science, is unfortunately only too
>>> true. ”
>>> —A. Standen, Science is a Sacred Cow, (Sheed and Ward, 1952), pp. 52-53.
>> Nonsense. A Hollywood fantasy.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jan
> It is undeniable that the speed of light is absolute according to relativity 

Of course it is deniable. When clocks and physical dimensions are
dependent on the local environment nothing can ever be absolute.

Relativity does not erase some rules while leaving others intact.

> to the point that it is exempt from relative velocity. Many highly 
> intelligent people knowledgeable about relativity agree with this. 

Where do you get this? Got a citation?

> If you want to be persuasive (obviously you have said nothing of 
> any substance that would be) you would have to acknowledge that C 
> is exempt from relative velocity and that makes it an absolute.

There is the classical problem of taking a horse to water. Do try to
remember that the *measured* speed of light is constant. How good
is your yardstick? Do all clocks tick at the same speed? But then
it is much easier to remain ignorant, and quite in the vogue in most
quarters. Back when I was trying to figure this out for myself those
who were attempting to explain it to me simply recited as though from
a catechism while not actually understanding the topic themselves.

And it makes little difference if the person explaining actually
understands because there is a rather strong natural reticence in
the typical human against this.

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Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 11:15 -0700
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 13:56 -0500
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 14:43 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:07 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:34 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 16:58 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 17:49 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:40 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:11 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:21 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:36 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:53 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-27 13:02 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:09 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:31 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-27 22:53 -0400
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:22 +1000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:26 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:38 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 07:04 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 15:36 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-29 11:25 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 13:42 -0500
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:09 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:52 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:20 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 12:02 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-28 14:11 -0400
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:27 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:39 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 21:36 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 14:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:02 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:05 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:48 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:12 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:38 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:32 -0400
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 06:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Buster Snyders <srrs@nynybnse.ss> - 2023-07-01 15:31 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 13:08 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:00 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:04 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 18:48 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-27 21:13 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-28 09:11 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:35 -0700
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Russel Schenck <cscr@nsukeckn.rl> - 2023-06-28 16:32 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:19 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 15:40 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 16:09 +1000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 23:32 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 10:09 +0000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 11:47 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 16:14 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 19:09 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:49 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:44 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:21 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 11:02 -0700

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