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Re: Relativity is a sacred cow.

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On 6/26/2023 10:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 6:40:57 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 6/26/2023 7:49 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:58:47 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>> “ Einstein made space and time relative, but in order to do this he had to take something else, which
>>>>> was the velocity of light, and make it absolute. The velocity of light occupies an extraordinary place in
>>>>> modern physics. It is lese-majeste’ to make any criticism of the velocity of light. It is a sacred cow
>>>>> within a sacred cow, and it is just about the Absolutest Absolute in the history of human thought.
>>>>> There is a textbook on physics which openly says, “Relativity is now accepted as a faith.” This
>>>>> statement, although utterly astounding in what purports to be a science, is unfortunately only too
>>>>> true. ”
>>>>> —A. Standen, Science is a Sacred Cow, (Sheed and Ward, 1952), pp. 52-53.
>>>> Nonsense. A Hollywood fantasy.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jan
>>> It is undeniable that the speed of light is absolute according to relativity
>> Of course it is deniable. When clocks and physical dimensions are
>> dependent on the local environment nothing can ever be absolute.
>>
>> Relativity does not erase some rules while leaving others intact.
>>> to the point that it is exempt from relative velocity. Many highly
>>> intelligent people knowledgeable about relativity agree with this.
>> Where do you get this? Got a citation?
>>> If you want to be persuasive (obviously you have said nothing of
>>> any substance that would be) you would have to acknowledge that C
>>> is exempt from relative velocity and that makes it an absolute.
>> There is the classical problem of taking a horse to water. Do try to
>> remember that the *measured* speed of light is constant. How good
>> is your yardstick? Do all clocks tick at the same speed? But then
>> it is much easier to remain ignorant, and quite in the vogue in most
>> quarters. Back when I was trying to figure this out for myself those
>> who were attempting to explain it to me simply recited as though from
>> a catechism while not actually understanding the topic themselves.
>>
>> And it makes little difference if the person explaining actually
>> understands because there is a rather strong natural reticence in
>> the typical human against this.

> I'm not impressed by your chest beating. I thought you were pretending to be humble and courteous.

So whose problem is that?

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Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 11:15 -0700
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 13:56 -0500
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 14:43 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:07 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:34 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 16:58 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 17:49 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 20:40 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:11 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:21 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:36 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-26 22:53 -0500
  Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-27 13:02 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 20:09 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-26 20:10 -0700
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:31 -0700
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-27 22:53 -0400
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:10 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:22 +1000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 20:26 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:38 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 07:04 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 15:36 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-29 11:25 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 13:42 -0500
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:09 +1000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:52 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:20 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 12:02 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-28 14:11 -0400
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:27 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:39 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 21:36 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 14:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:02 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:05 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 22:48 +0000
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:12 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 11:38 -0700
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:32 -0400
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 06:41 -0700
                Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Buster Snyders <srrs@nynybnse.ss> - 2023-07-01 15:31 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 13:08 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:00 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 16:04 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-28 18:48 -0500
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-27 21:13 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-28 09:11 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 09:35 -0700
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Russel Schenck <cscr@nsukeckn.rl> - 2023-06-28 16:32 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-28 13:19 +1000
    Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-28 15:40 +0000
      Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-29 16:09 +1000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 23:32 -0700
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 10:09 +0000
        Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 11:47 -0400
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 16:14 +0000
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 19:09 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:49 -0500
          Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 05:44 -0700
            Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 22:21 -0400
              Re: Relativity is a sacred cow. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 11:02 -0700

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