Re: The Head of the U.S. Coast Guard Isn't Afraid to Talk About Climate Change

Subject	Re: The Head of the U.S. Coast Guard Isn't Afraid to Talk About Climate Change
Newsgroups	sci.physics, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate
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From	benj <benj@nobody.net>
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Date	2018-05-07 11:13 -0400
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On 5/7/2018 12:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 7/05/2018 2:02 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 5/6/2018 8:04 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 7/05/2018 6:25 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>> On 5/6/2018 3:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/05/2018 12:15 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/6/2018 4:42 AM, kensi wrote:
>>>>>>> Even as other government agencies have quietly banished 
>>>>>>> references to
>>>>>>> climate change, the head of the U.S. Coast Guard does not shy 
>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>> the subject that the White House has made practically taboo:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/04/the-head-of-the-u-s-coast-guard-isnt-afraid-to-talk-about-climate-change/ 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yep, by golly, that 0.1 mm/year sea rise,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Try an OBSERVED (not predicted, nor modelled) rate of 2.8 ~ 3.6mm 
>>>>> PA.
>>>>> With the increased melt from Greenland, that rate is expected to 
>>>>> increase.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhh  MMMYY  !!
>>>>
>>>> the Coastguard ships cannot withstand 1/10 of an inch of rise in water
>>>> level !!!
>>>
>>> **Here is YOUR claim:
>>>
>>> "yep, by golly, that 0.1 mm/year sea rise, computer predicted by some
>>> aggressive global worming computer modeling problems on closed data, has
>>> worried the shit out of some unemployed contract journalists on how they
>>> can make money off it."
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you now admit your lie?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   computer predicted by some
>>>>>> aggressive global worming computer modeling problems on closed data,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Well, given your data is hopelessly wrong, we can safely disregard
>>>>> your lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   has
>>>>>> worried the shit out of some unemployed contract journalists on 
>>>>>> how they
>>>>>> can make money off it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **How about you supply real data?
>>>>
>>>> no need, the article is FAKE NEWS on its face.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **How about your lies? When will you take responsibility for them? 
>>> Here, again, are your lies:
>>>
>>> "yep, by golly, that 0.1 mm/year sea rise, computer predicted by some
>>> aggressive global worming computer modeling problems on closed data, has
>>> worried the shit out of some unemployed contract journalists on how they
>>> can make money off it."
>>>
>>> Here's your chance to admit your lies and apologise, once and for 
>>> all. Do it now, or will you dig yourself an even deeper hole?
>>>
>>>
>> Actually BOTH Sergio and Trevor need spanked. The .1mm/year figure is 
>> just wrong. The correct MEASURED figure is about 2mm a year.
> 
> **So, according to your un-referenced claim, Sergio is out by 2000%, 
> while I am out by around 30%.
> 
> Let's call a spade a bloody shovel. Sergio lied. Big time. You and I are 
> just arguing about your un-referenced claim and my un-referenced claim.

And the way you know he lied was? Oh that's right like all your science 
you just made it up. A lie is if Sergio KNEW the figure were wrong. 
Otherwise it's just a mistake. In your case I'm SURE you know your 
figures are wrong. That makes it a lie.

> Let's deal with that right now:
> 
> https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-14/ 

Cripes this propaganda figure is hard to read, but they claim 3mm as you 
do. But that's a bunch of Brit science fraudsters. Might as well quote 
the BBC as some kind of proof!

So I'll see your BBC and raise you a Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#/media/File:Trends_in_global_average_absolute_sea_level,_1880-2013.png

As you can see there is 5.5 inches of rise from 1880 to 1980 which 
(allow me to do the science for you) is about 1.4 mm a year. Wow, that's 
well under the 2mm I asserted without reference. Note the tidal gauge 
"hockey stick" at the end which is doubtless due to science fudging of 
data by you warmballers. The satellite data puts the lie to it.

So my assertion of 2mm/yr appears to be a nice average of your 3mm claim 
and the truth of 1mm. So reality is I was actually giving you warmists 
some benefit of the doubt here. Note that sea level is quite difficult 
to measure accurately.


>   Sea rises
>> as high as 3mm or so have been measured but as usual Trevor is seep in 
>> lies trying to call it greenland runoff. The 3mm figures are from 
>> GROUND WATER PUMPING (namely land SINKING not sea rising) Trevor is 
>> big into fake news.
> 
> **Sea levels are measured all over the planet. The AVERAGE is somewhere 
> around 3mm/year. WAY more than Sergio's lie of 0.1mm/year and a little 
> more than your un-referenced claim.

Sea level is measured all over the planet. As I said it's a difficult 
measurement. Your assertion of 3mm is simply lies and fantasy however as 
I showed above.

>>
>> PS. The 2mm figure is due to ending glaciation period and has been at 
>> this level LONG before industrial revolution and SUVs.
> 
> **Well, not quite. The accepted figure is now somewhere around 3mm/year.

Accepted by all you fraudsters? Got that energy tax through the Trump 
administration (called Trump regime by you warmists) Yet?

(snicker)

>   It's all a fake
>> scam trying to bamboozle the ignornate public who thinks that glaciers 
>> melting and sea level rises are some new recent thing.
> 
> **Well, most glaciers are melting. Where do you think all that melt 
> water ends up? Take your time and think about your answer.

Which is why sea levels are rising, Duh! So you think glaciers just 
started melting and receding yesterday? Do you understand just how 
ignorant and dishonest that is? Where do you think the post-glaciation 
400 foot sea rise came from? Duh? Probably from that mile of ice that 
"climate change" deposited over top of my house...

>   ALl FAke. ALl
>> lies.
> 
> **Really? Where does the melt water end up?

Where does the 2mm rise each year come from? Didn't you warmballers get 
the memo that the ICE age had turned around long before SUVs were invented?

>   After the end of the glaciation seas rode 400 FEET! Oh my! Are you
>> all scared yet? Oh Trevor! What oh what can we do? And the tail of 
>> thar rise is still going one.
> 
> Sea levels have been relatively steady for several thousand years. Now, 
> those levels are increasing at a faster rate. Does that worry you?

Absolute lie. See my reference and especially the satellite measurements 
which have not been "adjusted" by you fraudsters and are not susceptible 
to ground water pumping which you all pretend is a sea level rise. You 
guys think you are so clever you can fool everybody. You can't.

>> Trevor why don't you just give up on the warming scam and make some 
>> money with Nigerian prince emails?
> 
> 
> **What "warming scam"?

(Feigned innocence and ignorance)

> The planet is warming and it is due to human influence. No climatologist 
> on the planet disputes that. Why do you?

You libs never do Quantity, do you? "If just one child is saved" it 
never matters if millions die" That really is evil, you know.
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